Re: [digitalradio] Re WSJT

2006-01-20 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Graeme, Well the RigExpert premise is a good one in that everything is isolated outside the PC case to eliminate the ground loops, high frequency noise, jitter etc., but that sample clock and inability to handle CAT control with wave out always open are issues. As they designed it for

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread KV9U
With the current state of the art, as exemplified by the beta testing of SCAMP, it is completely proven that monitoring of the channel can be done by machine, in order to prevent transmission on a busy channel. It doesn't even scan anything as it is able to detect any modulation in the pass

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread John Becker
Yeah I agree with you 1000% Dave. that the way it works and has for a very long long time. Put on your big boy shorts and deal with it. At 10:31 PM 1/19/06, you wrote: If you can't hear them, likely they can't hear you either, John. The simple case you cite is rarely a problem. With

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Its been that way since 1995, when 97.221 was introduced. If adopted, the ARRL's proposal will make it much worse. I am dealing with it by doing everything I can to convince the FCC to reject the ARRL proposal. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread John Becker
All that says is that the SYSOP can not be the fall guy because a *remote* operator started that system with a on-going QSO on the frequency. And that is the way it should be. There was not a problem till PSK31 hit the air waves. What about taking it out on the guy that picked a frequency right

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
I'm not concerned with finding fall guys, John, I'm concerned with eliminating the problem. A fundamental principle of amateur radio is that no one owns a frequency. If I find a clear frequency, I should be able to use it without subsequent threat of QRM from remotely-controlled automatic

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Actually, Doc, those are expressly legal under 97.221. The FCC's rationale (the URL for which I posted earlier) clearly acknowledges the potential for interference. They challenged us to find ways to mitigate this interference, but did not make interference mitigation a prerequisite to

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread kd4e
Then I am afraid that the author of the FCC missive re. this specific issue must be using a different English language dictionary than the rest of us. This text clearly states in common English language usage that the control operator ... *must prevent* ... causing interference. What am I

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
The FCC missive is just that -- a missive; its not a regulation. No requirement to prevent interference is present in 97.221. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then I am afraid that the author of the FCC missive re. this

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:42 PM 1/20/06, you wrote: I'm not concerned with finding fall guys, John, I'm concerned with eliminating the problem. Maybe I just don't understand the size of this problem not being on PSK

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal Jamtor Iv

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Clever, Steve, but demonization is counterproductive. If Winlink were to implement effective listen before transmit, its operators should enjoy the same access to amateur spectrum as any other ham. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, palmdalesteve [EMAIL

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal Jamtor Iv

2006-01-20 Thread palmdalesteve
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clever, Steve, but demonization is counterproductive. If Winlink were to implement effective listen before transmit, its operators should enjoy the same access to amateur spectrum as any other ham. 73,

Re: [digitalradio] New Mode proposal Jamtor Iv

2006-01-20 Thread Bill Vodall WA7NWP
Please feel free to add to the list of helpful features which should be incorporated into Jamtorâ„¢ at some point in the future. How about some real world 21st century RF modes using 9 KHz or 12 KHz data channels? None of those 1980's restrictions using mere 3 KHz. from:

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal Jamtor Iv

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Protocols should be published, and encryption has no place on the amateur bands. Requiring automatic digital mode stations to periodically ID in CW wouldn't be a bad idea either. We should not, however, be limited to protocols implementable with software running on a Windows PC with a

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal Jamtor Iv

2006-01-20 Thread palmdalesteve
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Protocols should be published, and encryption has no place on the amateur bands. Encryption is not only physical devices, it can also be economic barriers, which is what we have in use in a proprietary such as PTIII.

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal Jamtor Iv

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
That's true, but how do you propose to overcome it? Prohibit outboard hardware? Set an upper bound on the sales price of outboard hardware? 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, palmdalesteve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal Jamtor Iv

2006-01-20 Thread palmdalesteve
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's true, but how do you propose to overcome it? Prohibit outboard hardware? Set an upper bound on the sales price of outboard hardware? 73, Dave, AA6YQ The argument that onboard hardware is what