[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal "Jamtor Iv"

2006-01-20 Thread palmdalesteve
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's true, but how do you propose to overcome it? Prohibit outboard > hardware? Set an upper bound on the sales price of outboard hardware? > > 73, > > Dave, AA6YQ The argument that onboard hardwar

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal "Jamtor Iv"

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
That's true, but how do you propose to overcome it? Prohibit outboard hardware? Set an upper bound on the sales price of outboard hardware? 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "palmdalesteve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Da

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal "Jamtor Iv"

2006-01-20 Thread palmdalesteve
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Protocols should be published, and encryption has no place on the > amateur bands. Encryption is not only physical devices, it can also be economic barriers, which is what we have in use in a proprietary such as

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal "Jamtor Iv"

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Protocols should be published, and encryption has no place on the amateur bands. Requiring automatic digital mode stations to periodically ID in CW wouldn't be a bad idea either. We should not, however, be limited to protocols implementable with software running on a Windows PC with a soundcar

Re: [digitalradio] New Mode proposal "Jamtor Iv"

2006-01-20 Thread Bill Vodall WA7NWP
> > Please feel free to add to the list of "helpful" features which should > be incorporated into Jamtor™ at some point in the future. How about some real world 21st century RF modes using 9 KHz or 12 KHz data channels? None of those 1980's restrictions using mere 3 KHz. from: http://www.

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal "Jamtor Iv"

2006-01-20 Thread palmdalesteve
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Clever, Steve, but demonization is counterproductive. If Winlink > were to implement effective "listen before transmit", its operators > should enjoy the same access to amateur spectrum as any other ham. > >

[digitalradio] Re: New Mode proposal "Jamtor Iv"

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Clever, Steve, but demonization is counterproductive. If Winlink were to implement effective "listen before transmit", its operators should enjoy the same access to amateur spectrum as any other ham. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "palmdalesteve" <[E

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
>>>AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 06:42 PM 1/20/06, you wrote: > >I'm not concerned with finding fall guys, John, I'm concerned with > >eliminating the problem. Maybe I just don't understand the size of this problem not bein

[digitalradio] New Mode proposal "Jamtor Iv"

2006-01-20 Thread palmdalesteve
I'm thinking about creating a new mode, let's call it Jamtor™ IV and I need some help with the features of this new mode. By the way, Jamtor™ is a product of "Tong in Cheek Industries". It's intended used to experimentally provide email over Amateur Radio HF frequencies to impoverished retired Boo

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread John Becker
At 06:42 PM 1/20/06, you wrote: >I'm not concerned with finding fall guys, John, I'm concerned with >eliminating the problem. Maybe I just don't understand the size of this problem not being on PSK >A fundamental principle of amateur radio is that no one owns a >frequency. If I find a clear freq

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
The FCC missive is just that -- a missive; its not a regulation. No requirement to prevent interference is present in 97.221. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kd4e <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then I am afraid that the author of the FCC missive re. this > spe

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread kd4e
Then I am afraid that the author of the FCC missive re. this specific issue must be using a different English language dictionary than the rest of us. This text clearly states in common English language usage that the "control operator ... *must prevent* ... causing interference". What am I missi

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Actually, Doc, those are expressly legal under 97.221. The FCC's rationale (the URL for which I posted earlier) clearly acknowledges the potential for interference. They challenged us to find ways to mitigate this interference, but did not make interference mitigation a prerequisite to operatio

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread kd4e
And those are plainly illegal and always have been. As President Bush said to terrorists cynically proposing a "truce", "We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." According to the FCC and Amateur Radio tradition we don't reward illegal ops with special band segments, we sh

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
I'm not concerned with finding fall guys, John, I'm concerned with eliminating the problem. A fundamental principle of amateur radio is that no one owns a frequency. If I find a clear frequency, I should be able to use it without subsequent threat of QRM from remotely-controlled automatic stat

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread John Becker
All that says is that the SYSOP can not be the fall guy because a *remote* operator started that system with a on-going QSO on the frequency. And that is the way it should be. There was not a problem till PSK31 hit the air waves. What about taking it out on the guy that picked a frequency right i

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Its been that way since 1995, when 97.221 was introduced. If adopted, the ARRL's proposal will make it much worse. I am dealing with it by doing everything I can to convince the FCC to reject the ARRL proposal. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Tim Gorman
If the amateur service is really interested in becoming telecom providers we should investigate the use of out-of-band signaling as a method for maximizing the use of the spectrum for data transmission. There are two ways of doing this. One would be to have a protocol which would use a 500hz

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread John Becker
Yeah I agree with you 1000% Dave. that the way it works and has for a very long long time. Put on your big boy shorts and deal with it. At 10:31 PM 1/19/06, you wrote: >If you can't hear them, likely they can't hear you either, John. The >simple case you cite is rarely a problem. > >With remote

Re: [digitalradio] Re WSJT

2006-01-20 Thread Murray Hunt
How about UI-View and Rig expert. I can't get that to work ether. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy disc

[digitalradio] Sound Cards ?

2006-01-20 Thread Clint Sprague
I'm new here, trying to get some knowledge before I try some digital modes. My PC has an onboard soundcard, but I would like to install a sound card. Any reccomendations, or cards I should avoid? Was considering a Creative Labs card ... anyone here using either a Audigy 2 Value SB0400, or the Soun

Re: [digitalradio] WSJT

2006-01-20 Thread Graeme
To answer your question Murray Rig expert doesn't support wsjt or domino ex unfortunately. I have mine running as a virtual sound card, it works fine on multipsk and stream, if you look into config on these two programs you get the choice of rig expert or your computer sound card and of cou

[digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Busy frequency detection is at the proof-of-concept stage; it has not been deployed. The proposal to restrict automatic operation to sub-bands until "listen-before-transmit" technology is deployed both recognizes and encourages the desired transition, and eliminates the need for further regulat

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread Danny Douglas
Sadly, the ARRL is usually behind in their suggestions to rules. They seem to want something in concrete, and already in use, before they will fully support it. I too think the auto detection should be required, but since its not in general use, I dont know how many of the ARRL officers are even

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia frequencies

2006-01-20 Thread KV9U
With the current state of the art, as exemplified by the beta testing of SCAMP, it is completely proven that monitoring of the channel can be done by machine, in order to prevent transmission on a busy channel. It doesn't even scan anything as it is able to detect any modulation in the pass ban

Re: [digitalradio] Re WSJT

2006-01-20 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Graeme, Well the RigExpert premise is a good one in that everything is isolated outside the PC case to eliminate the ground loops, high frequency noise, jitter etc., but that sample clock and inability to handle CAT control with wave out always open are issues. As they designed it for dire