Seems that just a very few listen to the ARQ modes now days.
Something like
:=3927.01N/09102.93W-
At 07:38 PM 10/13/2008, you wrote:
Hello Folks,
Easy question for you all. I have a tnc, ah that nice. I am hoping to
use it a beacon a known location, ie: I know the Lat and Lon but no GPS
for this setup.
So the question. What is the text I need in
What software and/or hardware did you use? I've used both MMTTY and
MixW. It seems much easier to tune with MixW since you can see much
more of the band and any signals present.
Tim, N9PUZ
Currently I'm using a KAM connected to the PKT jack on my FT-1000MP Mk.V
and the
I recall that when the FCC first authorized the use of ASCII code for
RTTY in addition to Baudot in 1980, the ham radio press made it appear
that this was a really big deal.
I've Googled information on ASCII RTTY, and find no indication that is
being used to any significant extent. ARRL states
Rick
I agree about your ASCII comment but as far as RTTY goes, just
about anyone can copy it with machine (as I still do) or by computer.
Did you ever notice that the ARRL bulletins still to this day put a
CR/LF at the end of a 70 letter line. Still a lot of machines out
there still working after
What is a good program to check the sound card with?
I had not as yet check this sound card.
Sitting on 14106.0 1Kc long
I've been a ham for almost 50 years, but I never operated RTTY until
about two weeks ago. It was an award offered by the Chinese for working
their special event stations for the Beijing Olympics that was the catalyst.
I'm using a KAM connected to an FT-1000MP Mk.V and the WinWarbler
program
FYI
For those on this list that I contacted direct about having a 2nd SCS TNC
for sale. It's found a new home. After 5 weeks and no buyer I gave it
away to a another Navy MARS member.
Good deal Tony.
I will be in out of the shack all weekend but can park the rig on
say 14,106.00 1KZ long and see what happens.
Trying to get ready for a DOWNPOUR from IKE.
They said on last nights news that we very well may
get 6.5 + inches of rain.
John, W0JAB
14,109.5 still being used for MT63?
Just to add my two cents.
I do have a SL-1 that is used only for MT63 and HELL.
Having said that I have found no problem with it. Of
course they are not ARQ modes. I do use ARQ modes
a lot but also have the hardware to operate it.
John, W0JAB
Licensing helps pay for all that RD (research and development) that
could very well run into the millions. doing otherwise would not be good
for any business.
At 12:37 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote:
I really hope the code or at least a DLL is made available. Anything to get
rid of PACTOR III has my
What about HF?
I agree. But as we just found out in the 2008 flooding
it took days for some sites to get on the air even with
radio equipment on hand - on site.
Not everyone knows how to operate the equipment. 99.999%
can send a text message using a cell phone.
Win-link again worked.
FYI water got to within
At 04:16 PM 8/4/2008 -0500,Charles Brabham, N5PVL in part wrote:
PACTOR, being an ARQ mode is incapable of sharing a frequency with more
than one other station.
The same could be said about packet if it also was an ARQ mode such
as Pactor.
I understand that some are still PO'ed that their
Paul you just hit the nail right square on the head.
I have said just that for years.
Don't say that to long and loud. The anti-wide pople
will come and get you.
John
At 08:27 AM 8/3/2008 -0400, you wrote in part:
Sound card modes, of course, have gained popularity due to their
flexibility
Mixw is a bit of a overkill with all it's garbage for a terminal program
to operate a PK232MBX TNC.
I still have been using YAPP even if it's just a DOS program some
25 years old now.
At 02:07 PM 7/4/2008, you wrote:
I use MixW. Takes a bit to set up, but you can get it to work just the way
Just found this while looking for a RS replacement part.
See http://www.radioshack.com/recall for the details.
John, W0JAB
Yes indeed. And that noise and smell lives on in this shack...
You should be here sometime when I have all 3 running at once.
What a wonderful sound !
At 07:34 AM 7/3/2008, you wrote:
HI John,
I was in the USAF from 1968-1972, and we used the old oilers with punched
tape, I think it was a
At 09:35 PM 6/24/2008, you wrote (in part):
Along with the great majority of digital oriented hams, I prefer sound
card modes and have no plans to move back toward legacy hardware.
Would you not say that having the, as you put it legacy hardware
and not using it would be a step backwards as
If it had become law in the US the rest of the world would
be operation on modes that us in the USA can no longer
operate. We would be kicked back to the stone age.
That's it in a few words.
At 03:25 PM 5/8/2008, you wrote:
To those of us residing in places outside of the USA, meaning the rest
And if this became law we in the USA would be sitting
back watching while the rest of the world operated the modes
that we now could not.
Bonnie makes a very good point when she say we would
be back in the stone age.
John, W0JAB
At 10:05 PM 5/8/2008, John WB4NNY wrote:
Bruce makes a serious
The FCC has dismissed RM-11392 .
At this time there is no other information.
Will have to wait for the FCC to comment.
You may read the document at
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_document=6519008574
Just found the FCC comments on the RM
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-1082A1.pdf
Ok I'll jump in on this one just once.
I feel if such ARQ modes as Amtor or Pactor 1, 2 or 3
could be done via sound card. Most modes would be dead
by noon tomorrow.
But since they can't no need to go on.
Some will never know what they are missing.
John, W0JAB
Louisiana, Missouri
EM48LK
Bet he uses something bigger then a cat food can
for the grid leak.
If it's a ham band and open why not use it for whatever?
After all a contest is only 24 or 48 hours.
John
Don
As one of the moderators of this list let you thank
you for you post stating what I really can't.
BTW - I did sent him a note saying that we really
don't need the screw you comment.
John, W0JAB
At 09:04 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote:
David WD4KPD,
I guess the bring it on means you want a
Sorry all
that was meant to go direct.
Why do I find so so many RTTY signals up side down
on the ham bands.
What ever happen to the old standard?
Mark is hi space is low.
John, W0JAB
Sorry Skip I have not gotten to page 80 yet.
Tony
I can't say for sure about the Dell model you picked but
I have 7 Dell's running here in the room. One running as a server
without any problem. Wish I could say the same for my power
company.
BTW - still on 40 P1 to P3.
John, W0JAB
At 03:00 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:
All,
I found what
You can order a Dell with either XP or Vista.
At 05:28 PM 3/24/2008, you wrote:
I'm looking at purchasing a new laptop, and I can't find anything that
doesn't come with Vista. Is anyone having success running digital
software (e.g. MultiPSK and/or MMTTY) with Vista? Last I heard, most
That screen shot sure looks like email over ham radio to me.
In fact the traffic looks just like what I see on the pactor systems.
I'm waiting for the outrage that some had about the pactor so call
email systems.
Nice store Rick. Enjoyed reading it.
I for one never did give up on the black boxes. Still
have all 5 of them. Going back to the first one (PK-232MBX)
that was about 1986 or 1987. I even still have the G3PLX board
for Amtor when I jumped into that band wagon. That was
my first non RTTY digital
After reading this thread with great intrust I still fail to see
the difference between it and what has been done with
the Pactor modes. That is other than being narrow.
I have copies Pactor that has to say the least been about
2 DB under ESP.
As far as FAE400 goes, I would like to try it. Too
Yes you must buy a box to play the mode.
What did you do before the sound card?
Maybe watch your corn grow.
As far as the email comment, I can tell you have
not seen to much if any of the pactor or packet
traffic of late. Just going on what other have said.
John
At 01:30 PM 3/2/2008, you
RTTY for one.
And a boat load of others.
At 08:43 AM 2/15/2008, you wrote:
Besides PSK31 63, what other modes can be decoded with a 300hz
filter? Isn't MFSK16 just a little too wide?
Ben,K4GST
Mike you may like to try YAPP.
It's a all around TNC DOS based terminal program.
Split screen - and all that.
I think it's still in the files area of this list. If not I will
add it again. I have been using it since the mid 1980's
on PK-232, KAM-XL as well as the SCS PTC-IIex.
John, W0JAB
in the
It once was very easy to copy RTTY when *everyone* used
2125 and 2295 Hz tones. Then came the 200 Hz shift TNC's
and now you have sound cards and people that are up side
down with their tones. And please don't get me started on
no CR/LF after 70 or charters.
Sitting on a center frequency of 7078.9.
Speaking of, I (and others) sure wish when writing RTTY
software you developers would add or force a CR/LF
after 70 charters.
I really don't think the glass operators would notice or mind.
And us using paper would notice the most since we
would not get the pile up at the end of a line.
ARRL
To answer that in one word, no.
Ain't going to happen.
The reason so so many use the sound card modes right now
is because they don't have to *buy* some black box to do it.
John, W0JAB
At 08:49 PM 1/30/2008, you wrote:
I know just about everybody does MT63 on a soundcard. I've done MT63
on a
I gave it a try for the first time about a year ago.
It was very confusing for a first time user. Rather then have the
main screen loaded with all the modes I think it would be a lot
better the have a drop down under a mode button with settings.
But that just me.
I deleted it from the system
Been listening for a while now.
At 17:12:25Z there was 3 transmitting at the same time.
At 04:44 PM 1/27/2008, you wrote:
It is worth giving it a try! Go to http://www.w1hkj.com/NBEMS and look for
the installation download link.
This has been one of my pet peeves for a long long time.
Rather that having to search a site why not just a DIRECT link such as
At 05:38 PM 1/27/2008, you wrote:
But, we want you to *read* about it first, John! :-)
Oh I see, you have no one of them READ-ME-FIRST files.
At 08:58 AM 1/24/2008, you wrote:
You really need to grow up, John. If you have personal problems, solve
them, but how about keeping them off the forum.
Really Roger after this comment :
I doubt you do much digital communications at all, John.
I know that I never run across you on the
I was out of here right at 10pm CST 0600Z.
Was in and out of the shack a lot so may have just missed you.
I think you will find WD8DHF on 7077.4
there are others that also use 7077.6.
You may also find Tony K2MO pop on 7077.4.
I have worked him a number of times there as well as down
around
Looking for P1 connect and Roger.
Would there really be a problem if it is wider then
500Hz?
John
At 07:32 PM 1/21/2008, you wrote:
When I look at MP73-N in the MMSSTV waterfall while TX button is
pressed, I see that the vast majority of the spectrum display is within
500 Hz (1900 to 2300)but I count 16 brief burst where a
On my 2nd call of CQ when the rig un-keyed after the CW ID
there was N4X something or-other calling CQ with HELL.
I did not have to tune a bit to copy him. Just plug the audio
into the laptop.
At that point I called it a night and went up front to the living
room to read a bit.
John
At 11:03 PM
No not a thing wrong with it.
I would just like someone to get the credit for it since
there was no name or call in either the email address or
any place else.
Thanks, again Frank.
John, W0JAB
co-moderator.
At 07:07 PM 1/17/2008, you wrote:
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker
File: /psk31_tips.pdf
Uploaded by : valuedprofile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description : Tips on using PSK31
Would someone like to step up and take credit for this?
John, W0JAB
So tell me (and others) how someone operating a mode with
a waterfall display and seeing a signal (so be it a pactor signal)
QRM that ongoing keyboard to keyboard QSO?
It seems to be that *any* pactor signal is fair game for anyone
that *only* knows that is a pactor signal to QRM it.
John,
Calling CQ 7077.7LSB Pactor one at this time.
Looking for W6VZV
and QRZ DX
At 08:42 PM 1/16/2008, you wrote:
test
got it...
ignored
No Bill and you will not see others on this list.
99.5% are sound card *ONLY* operators and have no clue
what the non sound cards modes are all about. Other then what
they have read, such as it's all bad and that is why pactor has
such a bad name. Not all of us pactor operators are robots stations
I'm still trying for W0JAB (John) and you, of course. I've heard no signal
from you whatsoever to date, same think for W0JAB. I'm still trying
and I'm sure the effort will pay off before long.
Howard - when I call out a dial frequency for pactor such
as the one I hang out on 7077.5 it's going
This is not new in any way Jim.
Just a few weeks Tony, K2MO was in a QSO on 7077.5
Pactor and someone started calling CQ and then just
sent trash. I did sent a email. His reply was (as it always is)
I was thinking it was a PMBO station .
John, W0JAB
At 01:51 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
What
At 07:26 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote:
Seems to me that the ones dragging there knuckles on
the ground are those who fail to accept the fact that
there are other things but using the ham bands for
E-MAIL
Bruce
If I may - here is one of the so called email that you referred to.
this message was
Gee I did no make the list.
At 08:14 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
Twice in the last seven days
I have had QSOs disrupted by a Pactor Winlink station firing up on top
of my QSO. Fortunately, both times I turned the power way up (from
about 40 watts to 200 watts) and we were able to work through it.
Roger - how do you know
At 08:05 AM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
This is getting ridiculous! It takes me nearly 10 seconds to say
This is AA5J Is the frequency in use?
In what mode?
Comments in line
Your problem, John, is that you are unable to stick to an argument of
the issues. Instead, everything becomes personal with you as evidenced
by the above ad hominem remarks. Disappointing.
Wrong again Roger.
I do pactor as well as RTTY and Amtor.
I can copy each of them
At 07:29 PM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
John, do you really characterize the innovation that's been driving the
development of new digital modes as madness? Do you really think that the
explosion of soundcard digital mode users is the problem.
No I don't Dave.
But I do feel that some have come to
Here is Missouri we have 114 counties plus the city of St. Louis.
Each and ever county plus the city of St. Louis puts money into
their EOC. I know of none that does not have ham equipment.
And has been doing so for many many years.
Would that be any thing like you what your talking about?
Maybe
Right. and for the newer no code hams this will help how?
At 04:18 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote:
IDing in CW has the benefits that its universally understood, requires no
decoding software, and is trivial to implement.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
Sorry I was not ably to jump in on this.
I have been just to busy trying to get things ready to sell
my company.
What frequency have they been running this on?
And what time of the day or evening.
John
At 09:21 AM 1/5/2008, you wrote:
I beacon with a ARQ'd PSK63 signal on 30M this morning and Skip KH6TY
(in 4-land) connected with me
Where you at on 30M Andy?
Rick
You keep lumping automatic together with unattended
As you may know the ProrNet site says to NEVER leave
your station untended as well as the WL2K site.
It is one thing to be automatic and attended
and another to be automatic and unattended .
The rules say you can't be unattended
At 11:19 AM 1/5/2008, you wrote:
A station transmitter without a homo sapiens located at a receiver *at
the location of the receiver* is unattended.
Charles
please don't lump us good pactor operators in with
the PMBO operators. There is as much difference
as there is a house guest to a burglar.
At 08:44 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote:
Don't hold your breath while you wait for an enthusiastic response from
Packet operators, who are constantly QRM'ed
At 10:48 AM 1/4/2008, you wrote:
Nice analogy, John.
Sorry Dave, I just call em as I see em
I have been calling CQ on 7077.5 P1.
Yeah I hear it also
Would not want to QRM them..
Hello, John.
Been listening around 0223Z - I just saw your message then - not
hearing you. There is some voice activity quite nearby but no
indication of your P1 signal.
Not sure when you started but, for what it's worth
At 01:20 PM 12/31/2007, you wrote:
I might be wrong but I think that MixW can parse Pactor1 FEC.
de Roger W6VZV
Why even try?
You have stated a number of times pactor is dead !
At 08:34 PM 1/1/2008, you wrote:
John, you might ask yourself if your above comment is worthy of your
personal level of maturity.
Roger please, I'm not the one that can't fine a pactor QSO.
Jim
as far as I know all the hardware for pactor has the same thing.
But only for other pactor signals just like what you posted about
the packet system.
John
At 09:34 PM 12/28/2007, you wrote:
I'm not sure what HF Packet BBS's you're talking about but all my
packet tnc's had a carrier detect
It did not work out well and has not been used since.
Oh don't get me wrong the auto-detect worked, worked
to well if you ask me.
John
At 04:23 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote:
Again in MO, any station operating unattended and generating RF interfering
signals should NEVER be allowed on Amateur frequencies.
It's not ! under FCC rules
At 04:37 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote:
Unless you're willing to purchase an SCS TNC, you will not be able
to know who or what QRM'd you. A requirement that all unattended
stations identify in CW at least once within each 5-minute period of
activity would eliminate this problem.
Dave I'm not to
At 05:46 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote:
I am contemplating the purchase of an SCS TNC just to turn in the violators.
1. what are you going to do when you find a KB2KB QSO going on?
2. how are you going to know for *sure* that anyone is being QRM'ed ?
3. under FCC rules there is no such thing as a
At 07:28 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote:
Be darned surprised. There are almost zero, goosegg, nada
keyboard-to-keyboard QSOs in Pactor. The mode is dead except for robots.
Yeah Roger you keep saying that yet I seem to find them all the time.
Have you given it a try?
At 07:26 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote:
I have never heard a WinLink PMBO identify in CW.
Like I said Dave my winlink station does it all the time.
Either in P1 or CW.
Now if I'm in a KB2KB QSO it will not I will force the SCS
modem to do it. But under computer control it will.
It's in use right
Yes I did.
No matter what happens if you read starting at line 4
of page 11 of the PDF file you can see that this is no more
then more damn noise from the anti-wide people.
And I'll say it again here that under FCC rules there is no such
thing as a unattended station what there is (for the
It's all about how much of the band you are using.
But you know how they like to pick on poor Pactor.
Read page 11 line 4,5 and 6 of the PDF file
* * * * *
page 11 of RM11392.PDF
8. Two bandwidths are appropriate for what is now the RTTY/Data
subband, 1.5 KHz and 2.4 kHz. The selection of these
At 05:17 PM 12/26/2007, you wrote:
True, but it also depends on what the emergency is. Since you are in a
rural area you most likely have completely different needs. There are
many different modes possible. I think it is important to remember that
this thread started with discussion of
What did you just say?
You really need to run for some office.
At 06:49 PM 12/26/2007, you wrote:
You must be referring to contesters that have no regard for any digital
frequency. Lets begin regulating contesters.
Bob, AA8X
Yeah right. Let's do away with contesting.
Ham radio would be like watching paint dry.
I don't understand just what you mean by
Dave I agree with you but how about a new twist to this.
Not too long ago I was having a real nice keyboard to
keyboard QSO with K2MO - Tony on dial freq 7,077.4
Pactor when a member of this list starting calling CQ
on another mode. I did get a call and email him asking if
he did hear the
Some will never ending complain about anything and everything.
Bottom line - it worked and very well.
Don't feel bad I missed it too.
At 03:47 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote:
Pactor 1 and Amtor are FSK modes (two frequencies). ALE and ALE400 are MFSK
modes (as MFSK16 for example).
Thanks Patrick.
I knew that but was asking if it sounds like Pactor or Amtor ARQ.
The fast on off.
I have no clue what RS ID detection is .
Where on the bands can this mode be found?
And does it sound like Pactor / Amtor ARQ ?
Using 075 USB may be a problem.
Since all of us that have been using Pactor and Amtor
on 077 LSB for keyboarding.
As in the past, many have heard pactor or amtor signals
and thinking it's a robot QRM the ongoing QSO.
Back to RTTY
John
At 11:50 AM 12/8/2007, you wrote:
Sure do! And excellent decode right now on N0GR in Iowa. Just hard
to tune without a visual on the signal.
Why was it hard to tune ?
And why would there do a need for anything visual?
If your rig in on 14,236 it should work just fine.
I have never had a
Don't know Dave. Really can't say why.
Don't use software as I have had a AOR ARD9800 modem
in use for the last 5 years now.
At 02:14 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote:
If that is the case, why is the ability to fine-tune included in
FDMDV? I find that many times a ham is a bit high or low in frequency
on
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