Re: [digitalradio] Question on bandwidth on HF

2010-07-21 Thread Rudy Benner
JT8 is proposed as a possible alternative to JT4. Modulation is 8-FSK at 2.857 baud. FEC uses convolutional codes with K=14, r=1/4, K=15, r=1/6, or K=16, r=1/8, depending on message length. Synchronization uses 8×8 Costas arrays at the beginning and end of a transmission, followed by two

Re: [digitalradio] Question on bandwidth on HF

2010-07-21 Thread Andy obrien
It is a very NARROW mode On 7/21/10, Russell Blair russell_blai...@yahoo.com wrote: THIS IS NOT TO START A BIG THING...I was using one of the new modes today WSJT8 Beta and was informed that the bandwidth exceeded to limits on HF... My question What is the bandwidth ? Russell NC5O  1-

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Julian, This regulation was made years ago and just covers all spread spectrum. In the FCC's opinion, ROS is spread spectrum, both by description by the author and lab analysis. So, they had no choice but to uphold the current ruling. If someone wants to redefine spread spectrum on HF as

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Who is to decide what is harmful to the general population or not - the individual looking out for himself, or the public looking out for everyone (in the form of a republic) including that individual? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/20/2010 4:34 AM, g4ilo wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Julian, For example, five years ago, Winlink attempted to get the FCC to allow then to use Pactor-III ALL OVER the phone bands, with the argument that the bandwidth was no greater than a phone signal. Do you think that should have been allowed for the benefit of that 1% of the US ham

Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread Dave Cole
BINGO!!! I invoke Godwin's Law!!! See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Dave NK7Z On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:56:58 -0700 (PDT) AA0OI aa...@yahoo.com thus spake: Spoken like a good Nazi   Garrett / AA0OI From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
SO ! that whats in my swimming pool.. I'll have to add more chlorine..   Garrett / AA0OI From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 9:58:44 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 10:17:08 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   Apparently it's perfectly fine to break the rules because what the big bad government doesn't know won't hurt them. At least according to some people. I

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
That right they would.. I hold a Exta Class ham license I hold Commercial Pilots License, single engine land , multi engine land , Insturment rated, CFI, CFII, Multi Engine Instructor. with over 20,000 hrs I hold a Captians Liscense for over 600,000 tons I Owned my own company teaching

Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
Dave: Very good,, I could have done worse and call him O'Bama !   Garrett / AA0OI From: Dave Cole d...@nk7z.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 7:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA   BINGO!!! I invoke Godwin's

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
Andy asked me not to call you a Nazi,, that it was personal,, so I retract it,,, You O'bama You. Thomas Jefferson said, that at some time our government would become so out of hand that we the people would have to take back control of it.. (The second amendment ain't about hunting) Sit back and

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread Rudy Benner
: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA Andy asked me not to call you a Nazi,, that it was personal,, so I retract it,,, You O'bama You. Thomas Jefferson said, that at some time our government would become so out of hand that we the people would have to take back control

Re: [digitalradio] Re: DominoEX On VHF FM

2010-07-20 Thread Rudy Benner
That sounds like fun, and useful too. ve3bdr in kanuckistan From: kb2hsh Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:16 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: DominoEX On VHF FM Good morning all... This has been interesting me since I read about it in QST last year. I,

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread Rud Merriam
Actually, the Nazi's did obey the law. (That is not a defense of their actions.) They just changed the law to make whatever they wanted to do legal, or did it outside of Germany where the law did not apply. - 73 - Rud Merriam K5RUD http://mysticlakesoftware.com/ -Original

Re: [digitalradio] Yaesu FT-690

2010-07-20 Thread Rudy Benner
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Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
You'd better care about our politics,, if we go under, so does the rest of the world !   Garrett / AA0OI From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 9:24:46 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread W5XR
This is interesting, but I am curious, are you bragging or complaining? Bob, W5XR From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AA0OI Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 7:58 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
right, I still can't copy over 63 wpm code and that I learned in 1971..   Garrett / AA0OI From: k8yzk k8...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 1:47:02 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA   Well with everything

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread AA0OI
WOMEN ?!   Garrett / AA0OI From: Ted Bear w7...@juno.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 2:21:45 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   Holy Moly.. When you guys going to drop the ROS subject and get back to

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Yaesu FT-690

2010-07-20 Thread Rudy Benner
Well, I think that is correct, but I seem to be getting my butt kicked all day, so I decided to send you enough data to figure it out and come out smelling rosy for a change. I think I get the Bonehead Award today. Don't forget that you will need a cable for the receive, that part is easy. If

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-20 Thread Rudy Benner
Whatever. From: AA0OI Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:26 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Operating ROS In USA You'd better care about our politics,, if we go under, so does the rest of the world ! Garrett / AA0OI

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Tony, Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum was very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this with flutter tests like Jaak has done on http://contestia.blogspot.com/p/pathsim_09.html ? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/19/2010 9:42 PM, Tony wrote: All,

RE: [digitalradio] Parting with RTTY equipment

2010-07-20 Thread Mark T. Regan, K8MTR
Post a notification to the Greenkeys mailing list. __ GreenKeys mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:greenk...@mailman.qth.net Mark T. Regan,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-20 Thread Robert Klinger
I sure am glad I grew up! MAN! Get a life! From: Ted Bear w7...@juno.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 3:21:45 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Holy Moly.. When you guys going to drop the ROS subject and

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK spectrum efficiency

2010-07-20 Thread k3mm
The IMD shouldnt be a significant problem unless something is overdriven. However, you see that with PSK31 and to a lesser extent RTTY fairly often on the bands, although most of what i see is 60 cycle hum and audio harmonics related to that, rather than just pure overdrive. AFSK, etc., is

Re: [digitalradio] Moderator (again) Politics

2010-07-20 Thread KC5GNB
Andy, it seems to be time for a poll. 1. I wish to continue reading discussions of ROS 2. Enough already, lets talk about something else! Care to guess what the vote would be? Bill On 7/20/2010 4:51 PM, Andy obrien wrote: Me again. In addition to a prohibition on personal attacks , this

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK spectrum efficiency

2010-07-20 Thread Ralph Mowery
- Original Message From: g4ilo jul...@g4ilo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 4:29:15 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK spectrum efficiency Just because a mode is better doesn't mean that people will want to use it, though, and I

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Yaesu FT-690

2010-07-20 Thread Rudy Benner
Thank you. From: jon_g4fut Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:22 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Yaesu FT-690 Rudi, No kicking from me...instead I'll defend you for the excellent information you sent... :-) Cheers Jon --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK spectrum efficiency

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
PSK63 was developed as an intended RTTY contesting mode replacement, not for conversation. PSK31 is too slow for contesting and has a preamble and a postamble that slows turnovers down, so the idea was that 100 wpm PSK63 would, overall, including faster turnovers than PSK31, be as fast as RTTY

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK spectrum efficiency

2010-07-20 Thread J. Moen
not have guessed I'd get a kick out of it. I mean, I still prefer other digital modes, but RTTY once in a while can be fun too, I've discovered. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Ralph Mowery To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re

Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver audio input

2010-07-20 Thread J. Moen
Will be interesting to compare this effort to the NUE-PSK, which takes a different appoach. They have a modem that plugs directly into a transceiver's Data port eliminating the need for PCs and soundcards, but they are now working on a NUE-SDR transceiver that either will fit as a card inside

Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver audio input

2010-07-20 Thread Gary Edwards
and can be remotely located and is mode agnostic. Both approaches have their own advantages. From: J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 8:50:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK spectrum efficiency

2010-07-20 Thread Ralph Mowery
From: J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 20, 2010 8:33:06 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia vs. RTTY vs. PSK spectrum efficiency I completely understand the lure of the old mechanical teleprinters.  But I

Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver audio input

2010-07-20 Thread J. Moen
. This diversity is why Ham Radio is so interesting Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Gary Edwards To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver audio input

Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver audio input

2010-07-20 Thread James Hall
. This diversity is why Ham Radio is so interesting Jim - K6JM - Original Message - *From:* Gary Edwards gfe00...@yahoo.com *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:25 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver

Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver audio input

2010-07-20 Thread Rudy Benner
:25 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver audio input NUE PSK is great for back packing and mobile operation so long as only PSK 31 or RTTY is of interest. Computers offer a richer display with more options and the ability

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

2010-07-20 Thread Tony
On 7/20/2010 3:54 PM, KH6TY wrote: Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum was very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this with flutter tests like Jaak has done. Skip, My path tests show that ROS is less tolerant to Doppler spread than Olivia

Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver audio input

2010-07-20 Thread J. Moen
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] directly modulate computer /thus eliminating transceiver audio input It'd be pretty cool if that nue-psk device was a little more like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_100 With the built in keyboard. Is it very cumbersome to have

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread J. Moen
Your definition might be called what good SS is and the way ROS does SS might be called what bad SS is. But how wide is PSK31? Is ROS wider? So ROS is wider than needed to convey intelligence. What's sad is that one country's regulations (and they affect me since I live there) focus on the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread Jeff Moore
The definition given although likely accurate is not relevent to the discussion because it's NOT the definition used by the FCC. Although none of us (US hams) are going to be deported to Siberia (unless there's some sort of agreement between the US and USSR that I'm not aware of), we CAN be

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread Alan Beagley
On 07/19/10 11:48 am, g4ilo wrote: Your definition might be called what good SS is and the way ROS does SS might be called what bad SS is. But how wide is PSK31? Is ROS wider? So ROS is wider than needed to convey intelligence. So is RTTY. But it isn't SS. Your point is well taken, but

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
, July 19, 2010 12:32:53 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   The definition given although likely accurate is not relevent to the discussion because it's NOT the definition used by the FCC.   Although none of us (US hams) are going to be deported to Siberia (unless

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
Julian: I apologize for my county men,, forgive them for they know not what they ARE TALKING about. If they would all just shut up and use it,, NO ONE,, including the Federal Communist Committee, would even care..  Lately my country men seem to like to start wars that we can not win.. (we

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread Jeff Moore
A smart man picks his fights carefully. Comparing this discussion to the fight for our freedom is absurd. Jeff -- KE7ACY - Original Message - From: AA0OI Julian: I apologize for my county men,, forgive them for they know not what they ARE TALKING about. If they would all

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 5:30:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !    A smart man picks his fights carefully.  Comparing this discussion to the fight for our freedom is absurd.   Jeff  --  KE7ACY

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your all acting like this is life or death..ITS NOT..I have been using it all

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS vs RTTY

2010-07-19 Thread Steinar Aanesland
All the QRM makers operating on three fixed frequencies, what a Lovely Thought la5vna Steinar On 18.07.2010 16:29, g4ilo wrote: And the hundreds of people who take part in the major RTTY contests would all operate on three fixed frequencies how, exactly? Julian, G4ILO --- In

Re: [digitalradio] Re: DominoEX On VHF FM

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
The reason to use DominoEx is only for FM DX communications. It is slower than MT63, but much more sensitive, so you still get good copy way below limiting and quieting. For that reason, on our local FM digital net, we use DominoEx 8 and with horizontally polarized antennas, include everyone

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread bgrly
: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 5:30:15 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !  A smart man picks his fights carefully. Comparing this discussion to the fight for our freedom is absurd. Jeff -- KE7ACY

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
no,but if I did ,, no one except nit pickers would care.   Garrett / AA0OI From: bg...@comcast.net bg...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 7:12:47 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   pse speak

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
into your computer have you ever operated in a digital mode on hf with a wider bandwidth than a voice signal? - Original Message - From: AA0OI aa...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:48:34 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
forbidden to fly) I'm sure everyone drives the speed limit too.. Just use common sense..  Garrett / AA0OI From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 6:03:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
sorry, your not worth answering.. and check back about 2 weeks ago when I said, ..Let it die   Garrett / AA0OI From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 6:02:56 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back

Re: [digitalradio] Re: DominoEX On VHF FM

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
Dave, I forgot to point out that we use Contestia 64/1000 on SSB, not FM, for that 200 mile path. When using FM, DominoEx works just as well, but of course, the overall range is less on FM. Essentially, if you can work a VHF or UHF station on SSB phone, you can work the same station on FM

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
, 2010 6:03:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What is absurd is that its a fight in the first place.. do you ever just back up and look at what is being said?? Your

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread J. Moen
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! I think there are valid reasons for the FCC only allowing spread spectrum above 222 Mhz (where there is plenty of room!). A single spread spectrum signal on HF

Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-19 Thread Andy obrien
actually, this could be a good development because I still have a funny feeling that they would balk at the idea of calling it illegal. I don't use the mode because I am chicken, but there are still many in the USA that do. Andy K3UK On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Thomas F. Giella NZ4O

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread bgrly
oooh kaay ;-) ke4mz - Original Message - From: AA0OI aa...@yahoo.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 7:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! no,but if I did ,, no one except nit pickers would care. Garrett

Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
Spoken like a good Nazi   Garrett / AA0OI From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com To: digital radio eGroup digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:18:24 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA If I print any ham in the U.S.

Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-19 Thread AA0OI
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:26:02 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA   actually, this could be a good development because I still have a funny feeling that they would balk at the idea of calling it illegal. I don't use the mode because I am chicken

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread W2XJ
Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 6:03:07 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !   The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What is absurd

Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-19 Thread bgrly
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 8:56:58 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA Spoken like a good Nazi Garrett / AA0OI From: Thomas F. Giella NZ4O n...@tampabay.rr.com To: digital radio eGroup digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 8:18:24 PM Subject

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread W2XJ
? The right way is to campaign to get the rules you don't like changed, and until you do, follow them. Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: KH6TY mailto:kh...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:38 PM Subject: Re

Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA

2010-07-19 Thread Dave Sparks
Actually, it's less than half of a 6 Khz. wide AM signal. -- Dave - AF6AS - Original Message - From: bg...@comcast.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Operating ROS In USA so, for the sake

RE: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread Dave AA6YQ
[mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of W2XJ Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:10 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! Skip if you call this a regulation, I agree with Garret. It is a misguided one and a victim of unintended consequences

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread James Hall
Message - *From:* KH6TY kh...@comcast.net *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 19, 2010 5:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! I think there are valid reasons for the FCC only allowing spread spectrum above 222 Mhz (where

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-19 Thread KH6TY
@yahoogroups.com digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Mon, July 19, 2010 6:03:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better ! The hell with the rules and law, right Garrett? John, W0JAB At 05:48 PM 7/19/2010, you wrote: What

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v4.7.4 Beta

2010-07-18 Thread J. Moen
I know this is out of fashion, but I really like PSK31, for its narrow bandwidth and effectiveness with low power. It was the first mode I ever did where I could have a QSO with a signal burried by the noise. I like some of the newer modes, and am happy to see the popularity of Olivia and

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v4.7.4 Beta

2010-07-18 Thread Rudy Benner
in kanuckistan From: J. Moen Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:51 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v4.7.4 Beta I know this is out of fashion, but I really like PSK31, for its narrow bandwidth and effectiveness with low power. It was the first mode I

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v4.7.4 Beta

2010-07-18 Thread F.R. Ashley
Same here , my first exposure was with the old mechanical clunkers. The paper tape, chad, oil and the smells.. they had it all, hihi 73 Buddy WB4M - Original Message - From: Rudy Benner To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:57 AM Subject: Re

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v4.7.4 Beta

2010-07-18 Thread Rudy Benner
6:57 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v4.7.4 Beta My first exposure to RTTY was an old genuine teletype machine with a crummy interface. It was heavy, made a lot of noise, smelled great and I should never have gotten rid of it. As for CW, I learned it well enough to pass the exam

Re: [digitalradio] ROS vs RTTY

2010-07-18 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Well, old modes like rtty has its charm, but as the ultimate contest mode it makes more trouble for the ham community when it is flooding the hole band, than fix frequency modes like ROS. The only problem with ROS is its developer, with his strange behavior. la5vna Steinar On

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS v4.7.4 Beta

2010-07-18 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 08:19 AM 7/18/2010, you wrote: I dare say that if someone offered me one, I would probably take it, just for the noise and the stink. I would charge admission. Mine had lots of roll paper, paper tape etc,. It worked FB. Now that an Idea for income since I have 3 of them. (1, 28 RO 2,

Re: [digitalradio] RTTY and common courtesy

2010-07-18 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
I'm not in anyway saying that what happened was OK but after all it was a contest. Not like it happens all the time. But look at the good side. Lucky it was not a CW contest. John, W0JAB Louisiana, Missouri EM49lk Pike county for the county hunters. At 10:56 AM 7/18/2010, you wrote: I had 3

Re: [digitalradio] Repeater noise

2010-07-18 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
One of 2 things come to mind. 1) a very weak station trying to get into the repeater. 2) strong RF. At 11:18 AM 7/18/2010, you wrote: [Attachment(s) from Mike Liller included below] Hi all, I know this is a little of topic, but can anyone tell me what this noise is? We are getting this

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Repeater noise

2010-07-18 Thread Rick Westerfield
I think cable channel E is one of the usual culprits on the leaky coax. At least it used be when I lived on a street with cable TV. It is all DirecTV for me now. Rick KH2DF Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2010, at 12:03 PM, KB3FXI kb3...@yahoo.com wrote: We had some very serious interference

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY and common courtesy

2010-07-18 Thread Ralph Mowery
Let me get this right.  You want a station to ask if the frequency is in use.  That is understandable except he will be on RTTY and you are on another sound card mode.  Many times stations do not even have the audio running now.  They are just looking at a digital display and clicking on the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RTTY and common courtesy

2010-07-18 Thread Rudy Benner
I was taught to listen first, then transmit. Hard to listen with the AF gain all the way down. Once one is established on a frequency, turn it down, if you QSY, listen again. ve3bdr From: Ralph Mowery Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:29 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re

Re: [digitalradio] Why HamSpots dropped support for ROS

2010-07-17 Thread Andy obrien
I think is was very gracious of you to offer. Too bad he did not take up the offer. 73 de Andy K3UK On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Laurie, VK3AMA group...@vkdxer.com wrote: Why HamSpots dropped support for ROS. After several emails, it became clear that Mr ROS would not allow any

Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ?

2010-07-17 Thread Russell Blair
Tnx Thomas, well been on 50.290 mode of the morning and now on 50.200 and was down on 50.160  So will be calling CQ on 50.200 for a hour.   Tnx Russ NC5O jt65-hf  1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving door! 2- A government big enough to give you everything you

Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE

2010-07-17 Thread Chris Robinson
I use the free method of the FCC. http://wireless.fcc.gov/uls/index.htm?job=home On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:18 AM, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.netwrote: What does one have to do to re-new their ticket on-line now? Been so lone I forgot -- Mr.C.Robinson 73 DE KF6NFW

Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ?

2010-07-17 Thread Rudy Benner
and down, that's all folks !! ve3bdr in Kanuckistan. From: Russell Blair Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:42 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ? Tnx Thomas, well been on 50.290 mode of the morning and now on 50.200 and was down on 50.160 So

Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE

2010-07-17 Thread F.R. Ashley
And if you are an ARRL member, they will do it for you free. 73 Buddy WB4M What does one have to do to re-new their ticket on-line now? Been so lone I forgot http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and Spots all in one (resize to suit) Facebook=

Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ?

2010-07-17 Thread Russell Blair
#300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 From: Rudy Benner ben...@vianet.ca To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 11:44:32 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ?   Too bad, I don't see much of your call

Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ?

2010-07-17 Thread Rudy Benner
If it was easy, you would not be interested, right? VE3BDR From: Russell Blair Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:15 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ? Hi Rudy, Ya I was in the DMC contest earlyer today and will be in the NAQP as well later

RE: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE

2010-07-17 Thread Dave AA6YQ
Of J. Moen Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:30 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE John, There is an FCC Registration Number (FRN) associated with your call. You need the FRN and a password to logon to FCC's Universal Licensing System (ULS). Go to http

Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE

2010-07-17 Thread Rudy Benner
Smooth as baby's bum. -- From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:37 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE I just renewed my license via ULS, as described below. I had an FRN

Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE

2010-07-17 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 11:52 AM 7/17/2010, you wrote: And if you are an ARRL member, they will do it for you free. 73 Buddy WB4M Thanks buddy, and yes, a life member Do I need to do anything or is this an automatic happens thing they do? John, W0JAB HOT STICKY Missouri. Q How do you know it's summer in

Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE

2010-07-17 Thread J. Moen
Regulatory Fee and a $5 ARRL processing fee. - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] RE-NEW LICENSE At 11:52 AM 7/17/2010, you wrote: And if you are an ARRL

Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ?

2010-07-17 Thread Tony
Russ, You can find out a lot about digital mode use on 6 meters by searching DX Summit . http://www.dxsummit.fi/Search.aspx Leave the search string blank (no call sign) and set the mode to DIGI and the band to 6M. The database goes back to 1997. Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ?

2010-07-17 Thread Russell Blair
) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 Digital Mode Club #03198 From: Tony d...@optonline.net To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 4:26:06 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] jt65-hf on 6m ?   Russ, You can find out

Re: [digitalradio] Some Cluster Stats - ROS auto-spotting

2010-07-16 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Hi Is it possible for the administrators of these Cluster Nodes to filter out ROS spots on their servers ? la5vna Steinar On 16.07.2010 04:39, Laurie, VK3AMA wrote: FYI I ran some sql over the database at HamSpots which carries 7 days of Cluster spots. ROS Software Auto-Spots run at

RE: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-16 Thread Greg DeChant
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New question Andy You make a lot more sense than some of the children in this group who want to just whine to the FCC and ARRL. On 7/15/10 6:15 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: The comment in parenthesis in number 8

Re: [digitalradio] Some Cluster Stats - ROS auto-spotting

2010-07-16 Thread Jeff Moore
Yes! If you're a psychotic jerk and you want to flood the cluster with unnecessary unwanted traffic. - Original Message - From: Siegfried Jackstien [snip] If there is no page is there still a reason to send spots? sigi

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-15 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
I wonder where ROS would be today if someone had been truthful about it the first place? That little game of banning some from using it (for unknown reasons) was just about it for me. John, W0JAB

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-15 Thread Alan Beagley
On 07/15/10 01:54 pm, John Becker, WØJAB wrote: I wonder where ROS would be today if someone had been truthful about it the first place? That little game of banning some from using it (for unknown reasons) was just about it for me. I received a few ROS transmissions within a week or two of

Re: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-15 Thread Robert Bennett
Everyone better use V1.0 then, or we shall end up using different versions that don't talk to each other! - Original Message - From: Siegfried Jackstien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: AW: [digitalradio] New question All

Re: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-15 Thread Dave Wright
Why would anyone want to use any version of this software? Which is better; the software that sends out false reports that you can block, or the software that sends out false reports that you can't? In any case, it is doing who knows what in the background. The fact that Jose has now coded

Re: [digitalradio] 40m PSK31

2010-07-15 Thread Rick Westerfield
I troll both places. You never know what you might find. Rick KH2DF Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2010, at 3:56 PM, sholtofish sho...@probikekit.com wrote: What 40m frequency are most PSK31 QSOs in region 2? I haven't been on for a couple of years and it used to be around 7.070 but now

RE: [digitalradio] New question

2010-07-15 Thread Jim, N1SZ
a lot of alarms and warning signs to me. Jim N1SZ PS - I know. I'm feeding Jose's need for attention From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Wright Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:45 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re

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