Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-24 Thread Walt DuBose
Hold those thoughts for the ARRL Prize. But yes there is lots of thought about narrow moodes, 500 Hz and less and wider modes...3.5 KHz and perhaps 5-6 KHz. The ARRL has proposed a 3.5 KHz bandwidth limit for wide bandwidth modes but I think the FCC wants to limit it to less than 3 KHz (maybe

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-24 Thread KV9U
I did some more research and found out that according to the Wikipedia (which I find to be the most incredible resource on the internet for general encyclopedic information), PSK (Phase Shift Keying) can be considered to be a subset of QAM (Quadrature Amplitude Modulation). That rather

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-24 Thread Jose A. Amador
KV9U wrote: I did some more research and found out that according to the Wikipedia (which I find to be the most incredible resource on the internet for general encyclopedic information), I can agree on that8-) PSK (Phase Shift Keying) can be considered to be a subset of QAM

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-23 Thread Walt DuBose
Please allow me to make some comments based on research done here in San Antonio. As some may know, SouthWest Research Institute is located here in San Antonio and has done work on high baud rate modes with very poor SNRs. Also they are part of the current project that is flying a space craft

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-23 Thread Walt DuBose
Nino, That was kind of my thought...interesting about the Chip64 decoder...I will have to study the mode more. In my post I did day that it was a 100 mile path but did not stipulate that is was all over land. Also, unless you live in an area where the ground conductivity changes a large

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-23 Thread KV9U
If I understand it correctly, the raised cosine pulses tend to be more efficient with power, reduce the crest factor (Pactor 2 is under 1.5), and perhaps make it easier to have a cleaner signal. Just for clarification I have a question: Is QAM modulation a form of ASK? It would seem so to me

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-23 Thread Jack McSpadden
wa5rop - Original Message - From: KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes If I understand it correctly, the raised cosine pulses tend to be more efficient with power, reduce the crest factor

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-23 Thread KV9U
Why do some modems use more rectangular waveforms instead of what appears to be the optimum waveform for HF modems? Or are there downsides to raised cosine waveforms? In terms of bandwidth, it seems to me that for most uses, a 500 Hz bandwidth is a wise choice. This seems to be a good tradeoff

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-23 Thread Jose A. Amador
KV9U wrote: If I understand it correctly, the raised cosine pulses tend to be more efficient with power, reduce the crest factor (Pactor 2 is under 1.5), and perhaps make it easier to have a cleaner signal. Raised cosine is, above all, less bandwidth greedy. Just for clarification I

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-22 Thread Nino Porcino \(IZ8BLY\)
Walt/K5YFW wrote: if you may be receiving 1, 2 and 3 hop signals. How does this affect BPSK and QPSK signals from for example PSK31/63/125? the 3 different signals will sum at the receiver, but, having each one a different phase, the sum is destructive with the result that they tend to

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-22 Thread Jose_Angel Amador Fundora
Nino: I have not had luck with Chip...not a single QSO so far. On 40 meters local NVIS test it did not work. Maybe the 300 baud chip rate was too fast for it to work. Would it be prefarable to use it on a close to the MUF, single ray link?? I would like to try it on the air. How has been

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-22 Thread KV9U
Some of us did try Chip modes when Nino first came out with them, but they did not seem to perform as well as existing modes. I really implore to our treasured programmers to see if they can come up with some modes that can compete with Pactor modes. Especially some ARQ modes that can work on

Re: [digitalradio] PSK Modes

2007-01-22 Thread Jose_Angel Amador Fundora
-- Original Message -- From: KV9U [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:47:12 -0600 Some of us did try Chip modes when Nino first came out with them, but they did not seem to perform as well as existing