RE: [tdf-discuss] A copy of MSOffice

2010-10-20 Thread Xi Embalsado
I have problems on increasing the width of the outline in my images. When I copy an image from Microsoft Word or an MHTML Document and paste it to LibreOffice, it becomes into an imageless frame. -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instruc

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Larry Gusaas wrote on 2010-10-19 21.09: The following is from http://gmane.org/post-details.php . Note "the MAIL FROM envelope has to be someth...@gmane.org. It is currently the address that Gmane is subscribed to". I still don't get it - if I now whitelist *...@gmane.org for sending, thi

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.18: (including lists) for the long run... Anyway, at a minimum, I would dearly love to see simple list specific pages for subscribing/unsubscribing. Mailman generates these out of the box, so its not like this should be a lot of work - unless mlmmj does

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Harold Fuchs wrote on 2010-10-21 01.14: Can the Reply-to header not be fixed (by the list manager software or by an associated script) to include the OP if that OP is not subscribed? if someone submits a patch for mlmmj, our mailing lists software, then yes. Otherwise no. FLorian -- Fl

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 19.44: Bummer... my point is that non-subbed posters should simply be sent a REJECT message with instructions on how to subscribe - or better, a nice instructive web page with detailed instructions on the lists, and a subscribe option directly on the web pa

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 22.33: *That* is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS, and is the reason*why* there are so many complaints about unsubscribing. I'm sorry to say, but for those who cannot work with mailing lists, we will set-up a forum. It is not possible to fulfill all wishes. I see t

Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.08: Well, as a blanket statement that isn't true of mailman... One example: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-us...@python.org/msg37624.html MM3 is going to be mucho better in this regard... at least with the current Mailman stable release (2.1),

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
> > If we had a similar page for OOo, it would make an > > enormous difference there, as well. > > Why not - http://oucv.org/oooext.html > > I did not setup that nabble archive, and can't change settings - if you > back up there to the openoffice level you are actually looking at a flat > view

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:55 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: Howdy Barbara > > I don't have anything against forums (though I hope we can avoid having two > top-level ones, as for > OOo, and careful planning is needed in determining the subforums). The main > difference, which is a > positive

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO Beta 2 Writer/Web (Html Document)

2010-10-20 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 09:54:11AM +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > Hi Paul, > > It is unfortunate indeed that your first experience with the Libreoffice > community has left you feeling this way, and whilst I agree that such > fledgling communities often lack in diplomacy and professionalism w

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-20 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/20/2010 05:40 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being expressed by a few people regarding the support of ordinary users -- our customers. Why are we expending so much time and energy to produce the best office software, if we're not going to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-20 Thread MiguelAngel
+1 Miguel Ángel On 21/10/10 2:40, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: > I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being expressed by > a few people regarding the support of ordinary users -- our customers. > > Why are we expending so much time and energy to produce the best office > software, if w

Re: [tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-20 Thread centralus
I would tend to agree with this. I have pretty much stayed out of this one cause I am not sure that anything that is said would change their minds I constantly answered question about use that was just emailed to me abot OOo because someone found my email on the contact page and they. Could not

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-20 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/19/2010 1:16 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Oct 19, 2010, at 00:27 , Barbara Duprey wrote: Does this mean you're a (the?) moderator for this list? Not having that Delivered-To header definitely does complicate things! I'm amazed that anybody is posting here unsubscribed at this point, I'd ex

[tdf-discuss] Supporting customers (ordinary users)

2010-10-20 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
I am appalled at the level of hostility and contempt being expressed by a few people regarding the support of ordinary users -- our customers. Why are we expending so much time and energy to produce the best office software, if we're not going to do our best to support our customers at their own l

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-20 Thread Bernhard Dippold
As nearly nobody can read all the mails here thoroughly, I just repeat what I read: Charles Marcus schrieb: On 2010-10-19 8:11 AM, Xi Embalsado wrote: WOW! I could never fit a size 50 to a size 2! Well at least don't go to the Microsoft Office size (600MB) Better make things in separate langua

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Harold Fuchs
Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2010/10/20 11:40 AM Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-20 12:32 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: Gmane has most of the Document Foundations lists (except developer and announce) set as public. If you subscribe to this list through gmane the message will be sent but will not get po

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribe [was: Multilingualism...]

2010-10-20 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Charles, all, Charles Marcus schrieb: On 2010-10-20 5:05 PM, Jon Hawkins wrote: This unsubscribe/confirm procedure is basically the same procedure someone used when they subscribed, If the link at the bottom of the email was an actual unsubscribe link instead of the info link, I'd agree...

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 22:21 +0200, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > Hi Drew, > > Am Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:44:32 -0400 > schrieb Drew Jensen : > > > On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:18 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: > > > I've been asked at the German Lists (Oracle developers discussed > > > heavily > > > on this lis

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 5:05 PM, Jon Hawkins wrote: > This unsubscribe/confirm procedure is basically the same procedure > someone used when they subscribed, If the link at the bottom of the email was an actual unsubscribe link instead of the info link, I'd agree... The info link should be second, and the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/20/2010 01:33 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-20 4:16 PM, Jon Hamkins wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:59 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: I have little sympathy for anyone not being able to unsubscribe if they aren't willing to actually read the first 12 words (!) of the message coming back from

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 4:16 PM, Jon Hamkins wrote: > On 10/20/2010 11:59 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: >> That is not instructions on how to unsubscribe, that is instructions on >> how to send a message to get a 'help' response that will include >> instructions on how to unsubscribe (*and* subscribe, and a bunc

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: >> > Here is an interesting one - let's say that you did not actively work on >> > translations (yet) and you have not started working at the booth in >> > fairs and expos (yet..:) - but you started with your own initiative by >> > creating a Fa

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Johannes A. Bodwing
Hi, On 10/20/2010 11:59 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: That is not instructions on how to unsubscribe, that is instructions on how to send a message to get a 'help' response that will include instructions on how to unsubscribe (*and* subscribe, and a bunch of other stuff), and because it is so long

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 22:01 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:45 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, BRM wrote: > >> > >> You can define contribution as documents or commits to a repository or >

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Drew, Am Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:44:32 -0400 schrieb Drew Jensen : > On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:18 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: > > I've been asked at the German Lists (Oracle developers discussed > > heavily > > on this list within the last two weeks) > > Hi just so I'm clear - you mean an Oracl

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/20/2010 11:59 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: That is not instructions on how to unsubscribe, that is instructions on how to send a message to get a 'help' response that will include instructions on how to unsubscribe (*and* subscribe, and a bunch of other stuff), and because it is so long, many

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:45 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, BRM wrote: >> > - Original Message >> > >> >> From: Drew Jensen >> >> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: >> >> > Il 20/

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 2:10 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > Actually, the way I see it, and I am also subscribed to the OOo list, > the complaints are that the subscribed users could not answer back to > the non-subscribed users. This is the resounding complaint on the list. Yes, I know - and it is *caused* by the

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Drew Jensen > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 20:30 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400, > > Drew Jensen a écrit : > > > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > > > > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 3:14 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > My understanding is that Gmane version of the list is recognized as > subscribed to this list. Only people that are subscribed to Gmane > version of list can post through it. > > Unsubscribed posters are still not allowed to post. Hmmm... ok, maybe as

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 2:59 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: > ACTION REQUIRED: Unsubscribe confirmation Better: ACTION REQUIRED: you MUST reply to this message to confirm your unsubscribe request -- Best regards, Charles -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscr

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/10/20 12:56 PM Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-20 2:41 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: Or allow posts to this list from people who have subscribe through Gmane to be posted to the list without having to double subscribe. My understanding is that in order for posts from gmane to be allowed fr

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 2:24 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-10-20 11:25, Howard Barr a écrit : >> On 20/10/2010 04:02, � wrote: >>> looking for instructions on how to unsubscribe > The instructions are at the bottom of all emails. Look at the bottom of > this email below. That is not instructions on how to

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:48 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-10-20 14:10, Drew Jensen a écrit : > > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: > >> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > >>> Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: > 1. what will it cost i

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 2:41 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > > Or allow posts to this list from people who have subscribe through Gmane > to be posted to the list without having to double subscribe. My understanding is that in order for posts from gmane to be allowed from users who are not themselves subscribers

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 14:41, Larry Gusaas a écrit : On 2010/10/20 11:40 AM Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-20 12:32 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: Gmane has most of the Document Foundations lists (except developer and announce) set as public. If you subscribe to this list through gmane the message will be s

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 14:10, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what i

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:45 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, BRM wrote: > > - Original Message > > > >> From: Drew Jensen > >> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > >> > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: > >> > > 1. what will

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/10/20 11:40 AM Charles Marcus wrote: On 2010-10-20 12:32 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: Gmane has most of the Document Foundations lists (except developer and announce) set as public. If you subscribe to this list through gmane the message will be sent but will not get posted to the list. No

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 20:30 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Hello, > > Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400, > Drew Jensen a écrit : > > > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > > > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: > > > > 1. what will it cost if you have to re

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello, Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400, Drew Jensen a écrit : > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: > > > 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and > > > all derived works. > > > 2. what if you jus

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 11:25, Howard Barr a écrit : On 20/10/2010 04:02, � wrote: looking for instructions on how to unsubscribe Hi Howard The instructions are at the bottom of all emails. Look at the bottom of this email below. Marc -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instru

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 13:40, Charles Marcus a écrit : On 2010-10-20 12:32 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: Gmane has most of the Document Foundations lists (except developer and announce) set as public. If you subscribe to this list through gmane the message will be sent but will not get posted to the list. No b

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 13:55, Charles Marcus a écrit : The bottom line is, allowing non-subscribers to post (moderated or not) just creates never-ending confusion - as evidence in support, see the never-ending comments about it on the OOo lists where someone is *constantly* being told that their respons

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:16 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: > > > 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all > > > derived works. > > > 2. what if you just remove the co

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 1:51 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote: > Charles Marcus wrote: >> I'm sorry, but I don't have any sympathy with someone who wants free >> help, but isn't willing to do the bare minimum of subscribing to an >> email list in order to get it. > Errm. It's not just the subscribing. In addition tha

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 1:41 PM, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-10-20 10:49, Charles Marcus a écrit : >> I'm sorry, but I don't have any sympathy with someone who wants free >> help, but isn't willing to do the bare minimum of subscribing to an >> email list in order to get it. > Well, the free help is not free

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Harold Fuchs
Charles Marcus wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't have any sympathy with someone who wants free help, but isn't willing to do the bare minimum of subscribing to an email list in order to get it. Errm. It's not just the subscribing. In addition that poor user who only wants one question answere

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò

2010-10-20 Thread Carlo Strata
Il 20/10/2010 19:14, Petr Mladek ha scritto: Petr Mladek píše v Út 19. 10. 2010 v 19:04 +0200: Carlo Strata píše v Út 19. 10. 2010 v 18:25 +0200: Il 15/10/2010 12:50, Petr Mladek ha scritto: You might find the first packages at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, BRM wrote: > - Original Message > >> From: Drew Jensen >> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: >> > Il 20/10/2010  16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: >> > > 1. what will it cost if you have to  rewrite the authors code and all >> > > der

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 12:40 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.20: >>> ***I don't know if not allowing non-subscribers to post to TDF >>> lists was intentional or not*** perhaps someone involved in their >>> set-up would comment. >> If this is true, please don't change

Re: Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:18 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: > I've been asked at the German Lists (Oracle developers discussed > heavily > on this list within the last two weeks) Hi just so I'm clear - you mean an Oracle developer is discussing things on the German lists, yes? -- E-mail to disc

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 10:49, Charles Marcus a écrit : On 2010-10-20 10:26 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-20 08:20, Charles Marcus a écrit : On 2010-10-20 5:03 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: ***I don't know if not allowing non-subscribers to post to TDF lists was intentional or not*** perhaps someone involve

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 12:32 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > Gmane has most of the Document Foundations lists (except developer and > announce) set as public. If you subscribe to this list through gmane the > message will be sent but will not get posted to the list. No bounce > message will be sent to the poster.

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Drew Jensen > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: > > > 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all > > > derived works. > > > 2. what if you just remove the cod

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 21:00 +0800, David Nelson wrote: > Hi, :-) > > Maybe you could just get yourselves sponsored as an Apache Software > Foundation project +1 -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://ww

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: > > 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all > > derived works. > > 2. what if you just remove the code > > Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of inta

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenSuSE and Libò

2010-10-20 Thread Petr Mladek
Petr Mladek píše v Út 19. 10. 2010 v 19:04 +0200: > Carlo Strata píše v Út 19. 10. 2010 v 18:25 +0200: > > Il 15/10/2010 12:50, Petr Mladek ha scritto: > > > You might find the first packages at > > > http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/ > > > > > > I'm preparing my not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.20: ***I don't know if not allowing non-subscribers to post to TDF lists was > intentional or not*** perhaps someone involved in their set-up would > comment. If this is true, please don't change it. Allowing post was one of the biggest annoyances on

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2010/10/20 3:03 AM Harold Fuchs wrote: The following is verbatim from the Gmane page on Posting (go to www.gmane.com and click the link "Posting" on the left hand side): begin quote === Read-only groups Some groups are read-only. These are typically groups for announcements, publicati

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-20 11:25, BRM a écrit : Someone said: Second - the current idea is that organizsations could join indirectly through their member's (staff) contributions. This idea works quite well for e.g. Gnome foundation. There are other models and we need to find something to make organizati

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:25 PM, BRM wrote: > Again, I'm just trying to point out that there may be another aspect in how > TDF > was put together that may be making Oracle feel shunned even though they were > invited. > > It's kind of like forking Android, inviting Google to join, and then sayin

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:57:43 +0200, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: > > 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all > > derived works. > > 2. what if you just remove the code > > Contributions are not only code. There are a lot o

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Ciao Gianluca, Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:01:55 +0200, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : > Il 19/10/2010 18.11, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: > > [...] > > > Well, I think that the split between these two visions is somewhat > > articifical. To be frank I don't think I ever had thought about this > > tha

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Andre Schnabel > > Perhaps there is another issue at play here. > > Yes, Oracle was invited to contribute to TDF; but the current discussion > > on TDF > > membership and documents on-line seem to forbid organizations. > > At first, we are just discussing

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Howard Barr
On 20/10/2010 04:02, � wrote: looking for instructions on how to unsubscribe -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publ

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove the code Contributions are not only code. There are a lot of intangibles. Marketing, lobbying and advocating work are some examples. -- Gi

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 12.53, Drew Jensen ha scritto: I suppose the key part of the sentence there is the missing 'if', if you had to make the decision. Being in the seat that did have to make the decision is a totally different perspective from offering advice. No doubt Charles and the others received a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 10:26 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2010-10-20 08:20, Charles Marcus a écrit : >> On 2010-10-20 5:03 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: >>> ***I don't know if not allowing non-subscribers to post to TDF lists was >>> intentional or not*** perhaps someone involved in their set-up would >>> comment.

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, James Walker wrote: > The problem as I see it is how do you define the amount of contribution each > person gives, cause in my opinion even the users are contributors to the > project, without the users there would be no need for the project. I think the measureme

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:14 PM, BRM wrote: > Oracle just spent several billion dollars buying Sun - at least part of which > would have been for OOo and > all its assets. Is it buying the software, or the community, or the market? Ok, well surly it bought the rights to the patents, and the deve

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi, > > Perhaps there is another issue at play here. > Yes, Oracle was invited to contribute to TDF; but the current discussion > on TDF > membership and documents on-line seem to forbid organizations. At first, we are just discussing at the moment - everyone who wants to have her points to be

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 08:20, Charles Marcus a écrit : On 2010-10-20 5:03 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: ***I don't know if not allowing non-subscribers to post to TDF lists was intentional or not*** perhaps someone involved in their set-up would comment. If this is true, please don't change it. Allowing post

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread James Walker
I decided I would try to convey my thoughts on this now First I had a couple of questions How many member do we envision being on the SC? How many projects does the SC envision having under the TDF. Right now I see the need for LibreOffice, and I really do see a need for a couple other projects

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 07:30, Drew Jensen a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:33 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: Hi Gainluca, Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and evaluation... ;-) That's an important step ahead. On the wiki a read: "all these contributions need to be non-trivial

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Gianluca Turconi > Il 20/10/2010 5.46, M. Fioretti ha scritto: > > The real question was "why didn't the TDF founders who have/had > > official roles in OOo publicly resign from those roles on Sept 28th, > > one second BEFORE announcing the birth of TDF? Wou

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 05:56, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : Il 20/10/2010 11.34, Marc Paré ha scritto: [...] However, the *members* of the *Foundation* *decide*. Of course, it's so *if* this foundation has to have a steering role in the community, only. I agree with this concept but more like this: The

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 5:03 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote: > ***I don't know if not allowing non-subscribers to post to TDF lists was > intentional or not*** perhaps someone involved in their set-up would > comment. If this is true, please don't change it. Allowing post was one of the biggest annoyances on the OO

Re: [tdf-discuss] Isa this the Hotel California? Can't Delist

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 7:16 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: > and should any of that happen - by all means grab a video camera and get > it up on YouTube...be sure to post a link here. I'll make millions... BILLIONS... and will then be in a position to buy OOo from Oracle and donate everything to TDF... :) -- Be

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 6:09 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-19 22.37: >> Correct, hence my suggestion to simply tweak the list server software to >> add a custom Reply-To header (both list*and* unsubbed OP) for posts >> from unsubbed posters. >> >> I have another idea... >>

Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 6:10 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: > LOL. Well, Mailman disqualifies itself as it doesn't support moderation > via e-mail. The only system offering that was mlmmj, which we use. Well, as a blanket statement that isn't true of mailman... One example: http://www.mail-archive.com/mai

Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe

2010-10-20 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-20 3:33 AM, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > Even better, let's use a mailman-like webinterface like everyone else > does :-). +100 Web interfaces are much less error-prone. Just put up a page where someone can enter their email address, and click 'subscribe' or 'unsubscribe'. Provide proper

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:33 +0200, Andre Schnabel wrote: > Hi Gainluca, > > > > > > Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and > > evaluation... ;-) > > > > That's an important step ahead. > > > > On the wiki a read: "all these contributions need to be non-trivial and > > la

Re: [tdf-discuss] Isa this the Hotel California? Can't Delist

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 12:08 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > LOL :) > > Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-19 22.36: > > Heh... I guess that day will come around the same time that hell freezes > > over, pigs fly and monkeys come out of my butt...;) and should any of that happen - by all means gr

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:31 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > Il 20/10/2010 5.46, M. Fioretti ha scritto: > > The real question was "why didn't the TDF founders who have/had > > official roles in OOo publicly resign from those roles on Sept 28th, > > one second BEFORE announcing the birth of TDF? Wo

Re: [tdf-discuss] Please embed dictionaries in Danish lang-pack and install

2010-10-20 Thread Petr Mladek
Andras Timar píše v Ne 17. 10. 2010 v 23:34 +0200: > 2010/10/17 Andrea Pescetti : > > Andras Timar wrote: > >> 2010/10/17 Andrea Pescetti: > >> > Being the maintainer of the Italian dictionary package, I'm sad to see > >> > LibreOffice trashing my work (and doing the same with other > >> > communit

Re: [tdf-discuss] Unsubscribe

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Sebastian Spaeth wrote on 2010-10-20 09.33: On that matter, can't we filter out mails with subject "unsubscribe" and redirect them to discuss+unsubscribe dynamically? Even I failed to unsubscribe from this list yesterday, so this is really a tricky and fragile thing. hm, it's a bit risky,

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-19 22.37: Correct, hence my suggestion to simply tweak the list server software to add a custom Reply-To header (both list*and* unsubbed OP) for posts from unsubbed posters. I have another idea... Instead of individual list subscriptions, why not create a m

Re: [tdf-discuss] Isa this the Hotel California? Can't Delist

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
LOL :) Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-19 22.36: Heh... I guess that day will come around the same time that hell freezes over, pigs fly and monkeys come out of my butt...;) -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobil

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 11.34, Marc Paré ha scritto: [...] However, the *members* of the *Foundation* *decide*. Of course, it's so *if* this foundation has to have a steering role in the community, only. I agree with this concept but more like this: The Document Foundation would have more of a steering

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 04:41, Gianluca Turconi a écrit : Il 20/10/2010 9.53, Sebastian Spaeth ha scritto: [...] There is no reason why there could not be a proper foundation that acts as custodian for e.g. technical infrastructure, and holds eventual trademarks and decides on licensing policies for the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, I agree with Manfred here (I'll try to translate his points) ;) 2010/10/20 Manfred Usselmann : > On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:58:07 -0400 > Marc Paré wrote: > >> Le 2010-10-19 20:53, Drew Jensen a écrit : >> > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 09:37 +0900, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: >> > >> > Howdy Jean-Ch

Re: [tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 03:55, Manfred Usselmann a écrit : Keine Ahnung, was das heisst? Ich denke, die Mischung verschiedener Sprachen in einem Diskussionsstrang macht überhaupt keinen Sinn und führt letztendlich nur zu Verwirrung und Chaos. Englisch sollte die Hauptsprache auf der Liste bleiben, weil es

Re: [tdf-discuss] Send Messages via Gmane?

2010-10-20 Thread Harold Fuchs
"Harold Fuchs" wrote in message news:i9m7k5$ut...@dough.gmane.org... "Larry Gusaas" wrote in message news:i9lgl4$a5...@dough.gmane.org... On 2010/10/19 4:27 PM Jon Hamkins wrote: On 10/19/2010 10:55 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: Wrong. The purpose of gmane is to receive and write messages wit

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 10.33, Andre Schnabel ha scritto: Ok, so may we agree to the general idea to this process (contribute -> apply for membership -> contributions gets evaluated -> membership gets approved or denied) but need to find a good definition what amount / time of contributions qualify for a

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 9.53, Sebastian Spaeth ha scritto: [...] There is no reason why there could not be a proper foundation that acts as custodian for e.g. technical infrastructure, and holds eventual trademarks and decides on licensing policies for these etc. and a wider council that is composed of a

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Gainluca, > > Well, we're now talking about *meaningful* contribution and > evaluation... ;-) > > That's an important step ahead. > > On the wiki a read: "all these contributions need to be non-trivial and > last for a certain time frame". > > Then, there's a desperate need for a clear d

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread Gianluca Turconi
Il 20/10/2010 5.46, M. Fioretti ha scritto: The real question was "why didn't the TDF founders who have/had official roles in OOo publicly resign from those roles on Sept 28th, one second BEFORE announcing the birth of TDF? Would'nt it have been much more proper, considering that creating TDF is

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-20 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Þann mið 20.okt 2010 07:24, skrifaði Sebastian Spaeth: On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:07:47 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote: If you would like to monitor what is happening here in the future you may want a web interface to the mailing lists - I will be leaving this page up http://oucv.org/tdf.html Drew

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