RE: [tdf-discuss] Open source and open formats

This might be helpful: . The licenses apply to different parts of the code base. From this I notice that Martin Holmichel is Senior Product Manager and that Malte Timmerman i

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Dual licensing of patches and code

tions are specifically to the project the contribution is submitted to. They don't, in themselves, apply to anyone else. Now, with that context, here is my reply to Pescetti's post on AOO (I didn't want to cross-post or continue the cross-quoting): From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:

[tdf-discuss] Grant of License

, now or in the future, that are necessarily infringed due to characteristics of my LibreOffice contributions and such of those that survive in derivatives. I represent that I am legally entitled to grant the above licenses. March 7, 2013 Dennis E. Hamilton 4401 44th Ave SW Seattle, WA

RE: [tdf-discuss] Experimental UI for LibreOffice proposal

I work with a 2560 x 1600 display. One reason is so that I can do work among multiple documents that I keep open at once. I *never* have a document application running full screen on my 30" monitor. I even object to web pages that can't be viewed properly unless the browser-window is kept too

[tdf-discuss] FW: GRANT OF LICENSE: Dennis E. Hamilton - ASF Contributions

box/openoffice-dev/201303.mbox/%3c008801ce1c21$0deb3560$29c1a020$@apache.org%3e>. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 09:19 To: d...@openoffice.apache.org Subject: GRANT OF LICENSE: Dennis E. Hamilton The gr

[tdf-discuss] FW: Grant of License

Using the address by which I am subscribed to discuss @df.o -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 19:48 To: LOffice Developers List (libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org) Cc: 'discuss@documentfoundation.org' Subject

RE: [tdf-discuss] How did AOO figure it was worth $21 Million dollars a day or $7 billion per year?

I thought the article explained exactly how it was calculated: < https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/21_million_per_day>. There's no need to speculate. There are two base figures: (1) the average number of AOO full-install downloads per day and (2) an estimated average price for a permanent Micros

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-discuss] How did AOO figure it was worth $21 Million dollars a day or $7 billion per year?

SourceForge reports downloads by country. It appears that the number of languages supported does not limit the locations where the downloads happen (although destination country is necessarily an estimate, just as it is on the ClustrMap of visitors to my web sites). I assume that as language ve

RE: [tdf-discuss] Persona will no longer use that name, but be part of "Themes" - according to Firefox

Good idea to stop using "persona." Also, Mozilla uses persona for their identity system, perhaps why the same term is no longer going to be used for the theme system. - Dennis -Original Message- From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com] Sent: Saturday, February 16

RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

ou for the explanation of OOXML. But I am still confused. To Clear Things Up I need to know if the OOXML File Format, is open sourced... or proprietary? (This was probably mentioned before...) Then I would definitely have a clearer understanding. Thanks, LJ On 08/02/2013, at 5:49 PM, "Den

RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

Yes there is an International Standard for OOXML. I *suspect* that the provision of two-different Save As ... cases is (1) for the Transitional Standard OOXML which is the closest to what is acceptable by all Microsoft Office applications that accept .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx, and (2) for Strict Sta

RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

Based on limited anecdotal evidence (my own), Office 2010 support for ODF formats seems to be about the same as in Office 2007. For Office 2013, I am always startled by how well Excel 2013 (Preview) works with .ods files now that OpenFormula is supported. On the other hand, in my few trials with

RE: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness

+1 -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 07:11 To: Boudi van Vlijmen Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Help vendor-lock-in awareness I generally advise people to send me PDFs rather than editable doc

RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice and Java Security: OpenJDK Vulnerability

depend on it for something (certain LibreOffice extensions, Base, other Java-based applications, etc.). -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 09:10 To: 'Simon Phipps' Cc: 'lj'; 'Libreoffi

RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice and Java Security: OpenJDK Vulnerability

avascript. So the context has to be a browser for there to be an issue even if OpenJDK is affected. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2013-0422 for lots of data... S. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Again, thanks to Simon Phipps for retweeting

RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice and Java Security: OpenJDK Vulnerability

makes clear what the remaining concern is, or if it is simply a lag in reports that have not recognized the latest patches. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 13:27 To: 'lj'; 'Libreoffi

RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice and Java Security:

This just out: (Thanks to Simon Phipps for the link.) Note that the vulnerabilities "only affect Oracle Java 7 versions." - Dennis -Original Message- From: lj [mailto:ljelou...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 12

RE: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences

s@documentfoundation.org Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences On Mon, 2012-12-31 at 20:53 -0800, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I contribute to Alv2-licensed projects and I agree to the ASF rules > for Apache committers. It satisfies me that anyone who receives code &

RE: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences

If you are going to quote the Free Software Foundation, please provide a link to the appropriate information. Note that one such statement, now 18 months old (before Apache OpenOffice had even organized as a podling and produced any releases), is less absolute:

RE: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences

I dropped an important word: "I have *no* quarrel with others who want their code to be handled differently." -Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 20:54 To: 'webmaster-Kracked_P_P'; discuss@do

RE: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences

version that then becomes part of that company's software "ownership" and no longer available for an open source project? On 12/31/2012 08:28 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > That is completely incorrect, no matter how many folks keep saying it. > > Put simply: using

RE: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences

That is completely incorrect, no matter how many folks keep saying it. Put simply: using the LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice distributions does not raise any practical limitations on most personal use as well as use by individuals in their business or institutional activities. - Dennis PS:

RE: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?

[Resent using the list-known correct e-mail address] Is it CMIS that is being asked about? There is more information here: . - Dennis -Original Message- From: Immanuel Giulea [mailto:giulea.imman...@gmail.com] Sent:

RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice implementer notes

I'm curious whether the Danish names are translated to the OpenFormula names or multiple names are supported in the formulas. I assume that Calc translates between the UI and the OpenFormula in the document. It would be good to be sure about this. - Dennis -Original Message- From: J

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Security Advisories

That's BS. The disclosure has been embargoed since it report to multiple security lists in January. All of the involved parties recently settled on the March 22 date because that was the earliest date Apache OpenOffice could produce either a release or a patch in First-Quarter 2012. There is n

RE: [tdf-discuss] Can we replace "Floppy Disk"

Although not paying sufficient homage to the brilliant Umberto Eco, it would seem that having good tool tips would matter for both the icons (which are often quite tiny) and for accessibility reasons. And the internationalization of the tool tips may be rather important. It would also be good

RE: [tdf-discuss] Can we replace "Floppy Disk"

I agree that the floppy symbol is well-understood as the Save icon. - Dennis SOME MUSINGS I use a text editor (jEdit) that has a different Save icon. It is a curved downward arrow to what looks like a brick but which I now realize is a rectangular disk drive. (I use the small icon set on my

RE: [NOT-SO-PRIVATE] RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

Now that's the most embarrassing thing I have done in a long time. Mi dispiace molto :( Please pretend I never spoke about this. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 19:36 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Su

[PRIVATE] RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

t already. I am not sure how they would react to this prospect. And they might have some insight that others have not noticed. Cordiali saluti, - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, <http://nfoWorks.org/> dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @o

RE: [tdf-discuss] phpbb for the official LO forums

ed or still unanswered questions about OO.o and LO. More eyes on those, especially for those who are enamored of Stock Exchange, would be valuable. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, <http://nfoWorks.org/> dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-94

RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

One touch up. There is no de.openoffice.org forum. However, there is this nice page of sources provided there: . - Dennis -Original Message- From: Fabian Rodriguez [mailto:magic...@member.fsf.org] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 13:06 To: discuss@d

RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

er forums ? Hi, Am 30.10.2011 23:14, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: > NOTE: There is no German Language Forum at OpenOffice.org. You are talking about the forums formerly hosted by Sun/Oracle, right? There have always been pure community-driven forums at http://openoffice.info/ This site poi

RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

s for the independent German language Forum. I'm confident it would create a top 4. - Dennis -Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 15:14 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums

RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

I have no desire to get in the middle of this. I do have some interesting statistics gleaned from the current OpenOffice.org Forums for another purpose earlier today. Here is something about the scale and level of interest that exists even now, independent of the current status of releases a

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: user forums ?

I'm one of the Forum-invited Apache Observers. I worked with the OOo Forum Administrators and other Apache Observers to arrive at an acceptable accommodation of the Forum governance with requirements that Apache has for web properties in its custody. I am not aware of *any* statements from AOO

RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ?

The OpenOffice.org Forums were moved onto Apache Servers in the past few days. Oracle was retiring the server and the migration had to be done hastily. Fortunately, the new server had already been set up and experimental migrations confirmed. The rehosted forums are now UP AND RUNNING AT THE

[tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

-Original Message- From: Marc Paré [mailto:m...@marcpare.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 03:35 To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved [ ... ] Thanks to all the people who answered this. I

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting...

Concerning any accessibility issues around e-mail conversations, Cor reports that an accessibility expert says the main requirement is that the text be in ASCII. Cor, does that mean Unicode (i.e., UTF-8) is undesirable? Or was the response not that technical? - Dennis E. Hamilton tools

RE: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5

I was hasty. The 2003 bug report is about a browser plug-in for OpenOffice.org, not ODF, and not anything like ODF embedded in an HTML5 document or whatever else the current idea turns into. The comment stream is amusing, however disappointingly predictable. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for

RE: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5

The active version of the bug report on having a browser plug-in for ODF mentioned below is now at . I'm not certain that the current discussion is the same issue, though. -Original Message- From: Olivier Hallot [mailto:olivier.hallot

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

Dear Dennis, On Sun, October 2, 2011 22:00, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Mark, I think my question was concrete and very clear: > "> > How about you just read the goddamn RFC's for email protocol and stop > "> > whining about it? > "> Which RFC's ar

RE: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5

My apologies for the heavy-duty cross-posting. It might be good to pick a single public list and a subject header and converge there. Q: WHERE IS THE PROPOSAL? This started as a simple e-mail list question by Jaime R. Garza on the [tdf-discuss] list:

[tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

Marc asks: How conformant is LibreOffice as a producer and consumer of the OASIS ODF 1.2 Standard? I don't know how to assess that. I assume it is reasonably conformant and that most documents that happen to be produced are satisfactory to consumers that accept ODF 1.0/1.1 also. I don't know if

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

th a carriage return. which made a lot of sense if you were using an ASCII terminal or a TTY printer. If someone tells me it is critical to using a brailler or text-to-speech today, I will pay a lot more attention. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, <http://nfoWo

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting...

ormatting by senders will most powerfully serve those on [libreoffice-accessibility]? What do those with access limitations confirm to be the best that works for all of them? Whatever *that* is, I will do everything in my power to honor. - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document inte

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

Which RFC's are you talking about? Numbers please. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Mark Preston [mailto:m...@mpreston.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 06:12 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Gui

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page?

-Original Message- From: Tim Schofield [mailto:t...@weberpafrica.com] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 14:03 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? On 30 September 2011 02:46, NoOp wrote: > I mu

[tdf-discuss] OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

The OASIS ODF 1.2 Committee Specification 01 has been successfully advanced to an OASIS Standard, . The final ballot results for approval of OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 is at

RE: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

The statement that there is perfect interoperability between older and current versions of OpenOffice and LibreOffice is incorrect. An example of that is in the handling of lists in text documents. These things happen. Some times for good reasons. Sometimes for no reason (bugs and misundersta

RE: [tdf-discuss] disclaimer for extension website

Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 14:09 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] disclaimer for extension website Hi, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on 2011-07-23 18:21: > No, I have no experience with that. > > But a mirro

RE: [tdf-discuss] disclaimer for extension website

e Hi, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on 2011-07-21 20:27: > I think the DMCA guff is avoidable as long as your extension site is not in > the United States. Mirrors will have to be careful too, though. do you have any hands-on experience on how other projects deal with their mirrors in this are

OpenFormula and Macro Languages (was RE: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?)

@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy? On 21/07/2011, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: [ ... ] > > (ODF 1.2 is a different story but I don't know the current status of > OpenFormula in LibreOffice and I have not seen anything on Microsoft plans > in this area. I have

Microsoft ODF 1.1 Support (was RE: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?)

ntax and semantics used is defined in the OOXML standard (IS 29500). -Original Message- From: e-letter [mailto:inp...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 07:33 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy? On 21/07/2011, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: &

RE: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

Yes, don't confuse ODF compatibility with OpenOffice.org (or LibreOffice) compatibility. I was in the room on one occasion when Microsoft was asking for advice on their approach to ODF 1.1 Spreadsheet documents. Unfortunately, none of us blinked about how this would work for users who are un

RE: [tdf-discuss] disclaimer for extension website

I think the DMCA guff is avoidable as long as your extension site is not in the United States. Mirrors will have to be careful too, though. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Florian Effenberger [mailto:flo...@documentfoundation.org] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 01:32 To: discuss@docu

RE: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice deployment on Windows

That might make the difference. The Windows install files expand to 200 MB on disk, then the LO install itself has a 450MB footprint in C:\Program Files\. Getting the 200 MB onto an external drive (USB stick) should be no problem. In case you forgot, Also remember to empty the recycle bin of al

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

+1 -Original Message- From: Bernhard Dippold [mailto:bernh...@familie-dippold.at] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:24 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF [ ... ] If you want such a feature become true, create a team working on this topi

Embedding Goodies in the ODF Package (was RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard ... )

Well, sure, you can use an ODF package just like a Zip archive and add parts to it. The ODF Specification does not prevent that. However, the META-INF/manifest.xml file should be updated to include the addition. You can't count on any ODF consumer preserving a file that seems to have no use,

Adobe Reader Footprint Forensics (was RE: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" ...)

with all the PDF hate. Actually I don't hate PDF, I use it frequently and as such I am glad that OOo and LO have the capability of outputting in that format. My only real complaint is that Adobe has let their reader application become unnecessarily bloated, see below. [ ... ] >> D

RE: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

ader application become unnecessarily bloated, see below. [ ... ] >> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> >> >>> My Windows 7 C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 10.0\ folder is 181 MB. >>> >>> Where do you get the 6 GB? >>> >> I simpl

RE: OpenDocument accurate representation file format? Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

Neither PDF nor ODF were initially designed by a global consortium like OASIS. PDF and PostScript have obvious origins, as does ODF in a proposal from Sun and its contribution the XML version of a pre-ODF version of OpenOffice.org (and as does OOXML in a proposal to ECMA International from Micr

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 ...)

All right, let's put a stake through the heart of this puppy. I just created three documents. One is pretty large so I put them at Windows SkyDrive: 1. A Microsoft Word 2010 1-page document with a small ima

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

A working implementation would be great, although a working specification would be better, since the ODF can consider that while others test it for implementation. And if you want to build it into a LibreOffice as an extended use of the format, all the better, but you need to be prepared for th

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

+1 although it is about fidelity too, especially in things like presentations. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:27 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE:

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

[mailto:pedl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 01:26 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review) Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > 4. It is incorrect to presume that Fo

[tdf-discuss] Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

I'm having trouble with this entire thread. Here's what I know: 1. Font Embedding is *not* supported in ODF 1.2 (although there is probably room for implementers to provide it using a convention that does not break compatibility -- that is, implementations that are not implemented to be aware

RE: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

My Windows 7 C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 10.0\ folder is 181 MB. Where do you get the 6 GB? -Original Message- From: Robert Derman [mailto:robert.der...@pressenter.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 21:24 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOff

[tdf-discuss] ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

Details here: This is a public review. From the announcement, which provides all details on locating the specification and background on the process: "Comments may be submitted to the TC by any person through the use of the OASI

RE: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)) On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I didn't say I didn't know how to do it. I didn't say I wanted to build it.

RE: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice))

Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 16:31 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Availability of source code (Was: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)) On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: [ ... ] > I

RE: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

Ignoring the repetition on who is entitled to source code and how they are told about it, I would like to know the answers to some very specific, tangible matters closer to home. My question is basically whether the terms of a GPL license attached to a software distribution are applicable to th

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

I'm sorry. I have IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0 with fixpack 2 installed on my computer and I didn't pay anyone for it. It is free to download. Registration required. That's it. If I want support, that is different. Not much different than with Sun Star Office and Oracle Office, actually. True,

RE: [tdf-discuss] OCA vs. ICLA: two names - one thing?

+1 -Original Message- From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:58 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] OCA vs. ICLA: two names - one thing? On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:17, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi Greg, Dennis, Friedrich, al

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

I want to clear up one thing (I hope): >> Doesn't this mean that changing the license to Apache removes the right to >> have access to the modified source code if a company so chooses? >As a developer, you never had those rights to begin with. >Apache is not removing any rights from You.

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

+1 -Original Message- From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:37 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 13:40, Pieter E. Zanstra wrote: > As an interes

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

I am not happy with Allen's characterization of Simon's participation. I suspect the difference is that Allen put himself on the list of initial committers and is now on the podling PPMC at Apache. Simon did not choose to put himself on that list. That's Simon's business. Simon has been a v

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

Why is that a poor picture? I am confident that some users choose Open/LibreOffice distributions for ideological reasons. I also think many adopt software because they have a need that it satisfies in their use of it in creating and interchanging documents and the FOSS assurance has little mea

RE: [tdf-discuss] OCA vs. ICLA: two names - one thing?

Well, it is not the OCA or ICLA that is passed onward. So the question is, I think, is there any difference in how the OCA allowed Oracle to license the contributions and how the ICLA allows Apache to license contributions? There is one obvious difference: Apache can't enter into a private l

RE: [tdf-discuss] OCA vs. ICLA: two names - one thing?

Here's my sense of how they are different things: The ICLA is not a copyright assignment of any kind. It is only a license and your affirmation that you have the right to grant it. The OCA non-exclusively transfers a property right. The license doesn't work that way. My understanding is th

[tdf-discuss] Apache OpenOffice - What Deal is Done

Here's my appraisal as an observer of the Apache discussions: There are two "deals" one of which is done, one of which isn't (yet). It is a done deal that Oracle has made a grant to the Apache Software Foundation. There is a proposal at the ASF to create an incubator podling (a fledgling proje

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: RE : Re: RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

Since the third-party stuff is already integrated into LibreOffice, it doesn't matter whether it passes through the Apache OpenOffice incubator or not. You have it and you are using it the same way OpenOffice.org was using it. What I think is more important is the opportunity the bits that will

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: RE : Re: RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

It seems very clear that the Apache Foundation will not do that -- re-license. They have neither desire nor self-interest in so doing, based on what their high-level participants have said. However, by reintegrating the Apache OpenOffice.org bits, LibreOffice can do it themselves. It would re