Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-02-23 Thread Robert Derman
Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 2/23/11 12:25 AM, Valter Mura wrote: In data giovedì 13 gennaio 2011 22:53:59, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto: On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com Why not license it

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-02-22 Thread Valter Mura
In data giovedì 13 gennaio 2011 22:53:59, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto: On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow us to put

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-02-22 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 2/23/11 12:25 AM, Valter Mura wrote: In data giovedì 13 gennaio 2011 22:53:59, Fabián Rodríguez ha scritto: On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com Why not license it under an appropriate

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-01-17 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Jonathan, You should also ask all the other devs now :-) What I would like to have, more seriously, is lawyers working on this... Best, Charles. Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:27:17 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com a écrit : I know an iphone dev, and he has told me the review process

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-17 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Bob, Le Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:18:17 -0700, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net a écrit : On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 04:37:55PM -0500, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-12 12:25 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:05:16 -0600, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com a écrit :

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-01-17 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
The devs are more than welcome to comment What do some of the big boys think? On 01/17/2011 05:32 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Jonathan, You should also ask all the other devs now :-) What I would like to have, more seriously, is lawyers working on this... Best, Charles. Le Fri, 14 Jan 2011

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-01-17 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Many of them are not here (too much traffic). Let's see if I can raise this at one of our next SC calls. We're really busy with other stuff, but... best, Charles. Le Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:39:13 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com a écrit : The devs are more than welcome to comment

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-01-17 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Just signed up for the SC mailing list ill try join the next meeting if thats possible. On 01/17/2011 06:00 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Many of them are not here (too much traffic). Let's see if I can raise this at one of our next SC calls. We're really busy with other stuff, but... best,

RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-01-17 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Alex. I hope nothing too bad happened to you... Take care Charles. Le 17 janv. 2011, 7:21 PM, sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com a écrit : On 17/01/2011 21:14, Alexander Thurgood wrote: [...] This lawyer is busy trying to find time to get its head round the draft TM usage policy/guide...

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-16 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-12 12:25 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:05:16 -0600, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com a écrit : And please tell me, what was uncivil about my post? The tone of your post Larry. Please re-read it. Fwiw Larry, I circular filed your email address a while back

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-16 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-13 11:08 AM, todd rme wrote: and they have made it quite clear they are totally opposed to the existence of Libo. When/where did they make this 'quite clear'? I seem to recall the opposite (they were fine with it). -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-16 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 04:37:55PM -0500, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-12 12:25 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:05:16 -0600, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com a écrit : And please tell me, what was uncivil about my post? The tone of your post Larry. Please

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-01-14 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I know an iphone dev, and he has told me the review process does take time, but i think in time this app store will be just as good as the app store found on the iphone. I am more then willing to head up a team to get this ball moving in regards to getting permission from oracle to relicense

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Mirek LO is a separate entity from Oracle, they just forked OOo and are taking it down a different bath with a different name. On 1/12/11 3:49 PM, Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow us to put it

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Jonathan, everyone, 2011/1/13 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com Mirek LO is a separate entity from Oracle, they just forked OOo and are taking it down a different bath with a different name. I know that, but most of the code of LibreOffice comes from Oracle, and therefore if LibO

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
You would still need permission even though its a fork of the original code? On 1/13/11 10:30 AM, Mirek M. wrote: Hi Jonathan, everyone, 2011/1/13 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com Mirek LO is a separate entity from Oracle, they just forked OOo and are taking it down a different bath

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, 2011/1/13 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com: You would still need permission even though its a fork of the original code? yes, since the original contributors agreed to use a specific license. This cannot changed without consent from those people. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
In all honesty would they object to it? On 1/13/11 11:46 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: Hi, 2011/1/13 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com: You would still need permission even though its a fork of the original code? yes, since the original contributors agreed to use a specific license. This

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hey Jonathan, 1) Sigrid is right, we would need to ask for Oracle to relicense. 2) The new, non-Oracle patches are however licensed under a dual (L)GPL v3 + (note the + which allows us to upgrade) and MPL + as we found we had several code lines written under that license inside the existing OOo

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
If they are considering pulling the plug on the OOo line they would be on our side. I think its worth a shot in my honest opinion. On 01/13/2011 01:19 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hey Jonathan, 1) Sigrid is right, we would need to ask for Oracle to relicense. 2) The new, non-Oracle patches

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Todd no there was no announcement, but why have exactly the same office suite out there, they might actually end up pulling the plug once LO gets going quite well. On 1/13/11 5:00 PM, todd rme wrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: If they

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread todd rme
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Todd no there was no announcement, but why have exactly the same office suite out there, they might actually end up pulling the plug once LO gets going quite well. Part of what they bought when they bought Sun

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-13 Thread Mirek M.
2011/1/13 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com You would still need permission even though its a fork of the original code? Yes. The LGPL license states that: If you modify a copy of the Library, and, in your modifications, a facility refers to a function or data to be supplied by an

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-01-13 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-12 11:35 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow us to put it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the GPL or can

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store - or else ?

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Being a mac user myself, i found out about OOo through word of mouth as well as when i started working with Linux. i found out it had installers for other OS's and i went from there. i usually promote through word of mouth be it mac windows Linux users. On 1/13/11 10:53 PM, Fabián Rodríguez

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow us to put it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the GPL or can it be dual licensed to go on the app store? On 01/08/2011 01:46 PM, Charles.h.Schulz wrote: Ben, To be frank I would be very tempted by

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-12 Thread Mirek M.
2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow us to put it in the app store? would that mean we would need to remove the GPL or can it be dual licensed to go on the app store? I'm no expert, but as I understand it,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Lots of apps available can be found for free. the cost of the app is up to the developer if s/he want to put it up for free. I think LO could be a model example to other OSS projects that this is an opportunity for them to increase their following. On 01/12/2011 05:35 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-12 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Larry, Le Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:35:06 -0600, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com a écrit : On 2011/01/12 8:49 AM Mirek M. wrote: 2011/1/12 Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com Why not license it under an appropriate license that would allow us to put it in the app store? would

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-12 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Wed, 12 Jan 2011 11:05:16 -0600, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com a écrit : On 2011/01/12 11:00 AM Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Please let me reiterate, Larry, that the tone of our discussion on the mailing lists should be civil. Therefore, understand that not everyone shares your

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-08 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-07 06:06 PM, Benjamin Horst wrote: [...] Thus, it does not appear that Apple would block LibO because of our LGPL license (Wesnoth is GPL v2). The FSF is very unhappy with the App Store, but this does not appear to be a dealbreaker if we wish to go ahead with it. -Ben Benjamin

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-08 Thread Uwe Altmann
Hi Am 08.01.11 14:23, schrieb Fabián Rodríguez: Apple won't likely block the app until the FSF or its author (as happened with VLC) demands that they comply with the licenses. If/when that happens is another story. Concerning VCL: ...Rémi Denis-Courmont waged a one-man campaign against

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
On 11-01-06 11:16 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/06 9:57 PM todd rme wrote: I do find it bizarre that people are so up in arms about OOXML but seem to have no complaints with Apple's blatant attempts to have total control over the software you are allowed to install on your own

RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Larry, Let me remind you that we expect courtesy on our lists. Thank you, Charles. Le 7 janv. 2011, 6:55 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com a écrit : On 2011/01/07 9:38 AM Fabián Rodríguez wrote: You're right, at least for now. Apple controls i... Your unsubstantiated idle speculation

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Ian Lynch
2011/1/7 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org On 11-01-06 11:16 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/06 9:57 PM todd rme wrote: I do find it bizarre that people are so up in arms about OOXML but seem to have no complaints with Apple's blatant attempts to have total control over the

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 07:22:21PM +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Larry, Let me remind you that we expect courtesy on our lists. What was posted was in no way discourteous. You're interpreting bluntness as discourtesy. -- Bob Holtzman Key ID: 8D549279 If you think you're getting free

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Rogerio Luz Coelho
Ok that's it last message I read on this thread My impression JAVA = NO APP STORE LIBREOFFICE = JAVA therefore (for the near future) LIBREOFFICE = NO APP STORE Thanks guys , I really hoped this would happen, but, alas life is tough ;) Rogerio 2011/1/7 Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net On

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I was told there is an issue with mac and the GPL and LGPL licensing. not sure what exactly though. On 1/7/11 8:26 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/07 12:57 AM Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Someone also mentioned there are issues with GPL licensing that Apple doesn't seem to like :-/ And the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Jan 7, 2011, at 5:00 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: I was told there is an issue with mac and the GPL and LGPL licensing. not sure what exactly though. Some quick reading shows the issue is not at all clear. For example, the Wesnoth community has debated this in depth, but the ultimate

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-06 Thread todd rme
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011/01/06 9:57 PM  todd rme wrote: I do find it bizarre that people are so up in arms about OOXML but seem to have no complaints with Apple's blatant attempts to have total control over the software you are

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-06 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Someone also mentioned there are issues with GPL licensing that Apple doesn't seem to like :-/ On 1/7/11 6:49 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/06 11:05 PM todd rme wrote: On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Larry Gusaaslarry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: Apple does not control what software I