Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread David Drucker
On 3-Jun-09, at 12:02 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: On Jun 3, 2009, at 11:34 AM, David Drucker wrote: 1) Most UI work involves moving around objects, whether they are buttons, fields, labels, blocks of text or other graphic elements. Fireworks is essentially a vector environment with some b

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 3, 2009, at 11:34 AM, David Drucker wrote: 1) Most UI work involves moving around objects, whether they are buttons, fields, labels, blocks of text or other graphic elements. Fireworks is essentially a vector environment with some bitmap tools, which is pretty much the reverse of Pho

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread David Drucker
I've been using Fireworks since the first version and always preferred it over Photoshop for several reasons: 1) Most UI work involves moving around objects, whether they are buttons, fields, labels, blocks of text or other graphic elements. Fireworks is essentially a vector environment wit

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread Nasir Barday
Sho 'nuff. First, on the whole "one tool for all" thing, I don't see a sketch/design-->prototype-->refine-->prototype tool as an "all in one." Far from it. Rather, it's something that would make my own workflow more efficient as changes come down the pike. I manage several products over years of e

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
So I'm genuinely curious... why do some folks prefer Fireworks over Photoshop? I ask this knowing most of the answers I think, but I want to see or hear more opinions about aspects of certain features to get a better understanding of what specifically makes Fireworks compelling for some ove

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread Krystal Higgins
I find myself agreeing with Todd. I also think if we could develop 1 single tool that could do it all, and do if effortlessly or seamlessly, is the day we have to change our jobs ;) Of course, given that all technology in the past has never really 100% simplified our lives (think of the first rel

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
On Jun 3, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Schechterman wrote: Stewart, Axure, iRise, FlairBuilder + Graffle/Visio, etc. etc. . . . all potential options, though much agreed, no single 360-degree tool for UX folks yet. My colleagues in classical architecture and urban planning, both industries ol

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread Nasir Barday
Architecture and urban planning are older than Interaction Design, sure. But they are also working in different mediums :-). What's frustrating is that this type of tool *could* exist, but Adobe is choosing to dig in its heels. Who knows, maybe it's because they want to take it slow and do it right

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread Andrew Schechterman
Stewart, Axure, iRise, FlairBuilder + Graffle/Visio, etc. etc. . . . all potential options, though much agreed, no single 360-degree tool for UX folks yet. My colleagues in classical architecture and urban planning, both industries older than ours, tell me that, in their opinion, there is no such t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-03 Thread Stewart Dean
Hi Nasir and folks, You slightly dash my hopes as Catalyst being a one stop solution to producing diagrams and interactive prototypes. From what I've seen the idea of producing just an interactive prototype and then having that used to build a real world version of the app has problems that documen

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-02 Thread Nasir Barday
Well, that just takes the wind outta my SAILS. Is there a way we can salvage this and start using it? What if we start trying to do use this as primary documentation, where it's appropriate? I'm going to start this week and report back. There are lots of places where it's important to show transiti

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-02 Thread Michael Sparandara
I totally agree with Nasir's sentiments -- in fact, I started a thread on the Adobe forums yesterday about this. I'm hoping that through one of these channels an official Adobe spokesperson will comment on the situation. Adobe thread here: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2005801 - Mike . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-02 Thread Michael Sparandara
Looks like no Fireworks workflow integration until CS5 :( http://forums.adobe.com/message/2007624#2007624 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=42482

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-02 Thread Elizabeth Bacon
The IxDA SF event was held at Adobe (an excellent meeting venue and generous spread) and the evening concluded with a lengthy Catalyst demo from a key guy on their team. I'm spacing his name but he's in one of their online demo vids as well. Anyways, afterwards, I corralled him and said wha

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-02 Thread Nasir Barday
I was as giddy as a schoolgirl for Catalyst. But as of this Beta, it doesn't open Fireworks CS4 files natively! Only Illustrator and Photoshop files. I would have thought that Fireworks, a tool positioned for prototyping (and even with some teasers of Flex integration, and mapped to Catalyst's conc

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-01 Thread Murray Eaton
FINALLY! It's annoying they didnt send the reminder I signed up for though. Luckily I had a beta versio already from a conference so have been playing for a while. Not sure yet if it matches Expression for functionailty, but Ive been using Flex since the alpha's so its definitely a step forward! T

[IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst Beta (aka Thermo) is out

2009-06-01 Thread Pierre Roberge
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