[discuss] Concern

2005-04-13 Thread Martin Dickinson
Your product was discussed at my church last night and we were all informed that while it is an excellent product that is has a built-in tracking device that keeps up with all your web activities. Your comments please?

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2005-04-13 Thread Steve Kopischke
Martin Dickinson said the following on : Your product was discussed at my church last night and we were all informed that while it is an excellent product that is has a built-in tracking device that keeps up with all your web activities. Your comments please? That is false. ---

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2005-04-13 Thread Daniel Carrera
Hello Martin, Someone lied to you. We would never have such an obscene invasion of privacy. No, our software does *not* have any form of tracking device. That's crazy. You may be interested to know that the source code for OpenOffice.org (that is, the blueprints) are public and available for al

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2005-04-13 Thread Rigel
None that I know of. Are you sure this person didn't confuse our product with someone elses? Daniel? Alex? Anyone? Rigel --- Martin Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your product was discussed at my church last night and we were all informed > that while it is an excellent product that

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2005-04-13 Thread Peter Kupfer
Rigel wrote: None that I know of. Are you sure this person didn't confuse our product with someone elses? Daniel? Alex? Anyone? Rigel Well, with MS you have to register office, and if you register like more than 10 times or something, it locks up on you FOREVER! That is if you re-format your

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2005-04-13 Thread Mike White
That is simply not true. > -Original Message- > From: Martin Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 5:04 AM > To: discuss@openoffice.org > Subject: [discuss] Concern > > > Your product was discussed at my church last night and

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2005-04-14 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Martin, I think the opiner has confused OOo with MS-Office 2003 or with MSIE. OOo has no tracking, especially not web. However, MS-Office 2003 (along with MS-Windows XP) has DRM functions which, as a side effect if activated, track who does tries to create, edit, copy, delete, rename, save, pri

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2005-04-14 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Mensaje citado por Rigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > None that I know of. Are you sure this person didn't confuse our product with > someone elses? > > Daniel? > Alex? > Anyone? > > Rigel > --- Martin Dickinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Your product was discussed at my church last night and w

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2005-04-14 Thread Lars D. Noodén
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Well is not the first time I heard about this, this is usually when ZoneAlarm or other desktop firewall warns you that OOo is looking for an open port. This is done whe OOo crashes and tries to send the crash reports to --- Sun. Some people has bee

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2005-04-14 Thread Alan Madden
On 4/14/05, Lars D. Noodén <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > Well is not the first time I heard about this, this is usually when > > ZoneAlarm or other desktop firewall warns you that OOo is looking for an > > open port. This is done whe OOo crashes and

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2005-04-14 Thread Lars D. Noodén
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Alan Madden wrote: [...] Regardless of whether a program is trustworthy or not, I would not trust a company/firewall where you could 'buy' a bypass for your application. Nor do I, but that is my understanding of how these things work. Ultimately though, the implication of spywa

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2005-04-14 Thread Alexandro Colorado
That is simply not true. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Martin Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 5:04 AM > > To: discuss@openoffice.org > > Subject: [discuss] Concern > > > > > > Your product was d

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2005-04-14 Thread Alexandro Colorado
This is NOT a missunderstanding OOo DOES look to communicate with Sun Servers and the firewalls do warn the user about it. The firewall is doing it's job. -- Alexandro Colorado Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish http://es.openoffice.org/ Mensaje citado por "Lars D. Noodén" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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2005-04-14 Thread Lars D. Noodén
It depends on what warning or error message the firewall is reporting. It is a misunderstanding in that there is a world of difference between monitoring all web activity and reporting a crash. I haven't seen OOo crash (have been using 1.1.4 for OS X heavily), so I can't say what goes on. Howev

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2005-04-14 Thread Bernd Eilers
Hi there! Lars D. Noodén wrote: It depends on what warning or error message the firewall is reporting. It is a misunderstanding in that there is a world of difference between monitoring all web activity and reporting a crash. I haven't seen OOo crash (have been using 1.1.4 for OS X heavily), so I

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2005-04-14 Thread Christian Einfeldt
Sorry to have started a new thread on this question. Earthlink is doing something weird today. I actually had to go to the mail list server to read the mail today. Maybe this guy is talking about metadata? - To unsubscribe

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2005-04-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Ok. Thanks for explaining the dialog that reports a crash. [...] And that a firewall triggers an alarm offering the user to reject or allow an Internet connection for any program not yet configured in the firewall and that it offers the user the possibility to configure a rule for the future an

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2005-04-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Alexandro Colorado wrote: This is NOT a missunderstanding OOo DOES look to communicate with Sun Servers and the firewalls do warn the user about it. The misunderstanding is on the side of the user about the nature of the connection. The firewall is doing it's job. It depends

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2005-04-15 Thread Alexandro Colorado
How in the world is that the responsability of the Firewall to know? And how do you think that would make any difference to Joe Six Pack. The issue is on the user to blame not the firewall, if you ask the firewall to warn u when some app tries to connect to the internet to warn you. This happens

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2005-04-15 Thread Lars D . Noodén
What is the best way to enlighten the large population of end users that there are applications that track and report on all their activties and that OOo is not one of them? On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Alexandro Colorado wrote: How in the world is that the responsability of the Firewall to know? The ap

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2005-04-15 Thread Alexandro Colorado
> That implies that the user has taken action. I thought were are talking > about those that do not customize their firewalls. > > > If the user is stupid and uneducated, no app in this known universe will > > make it smart. > [...] > > I agree. Stupid is forver. Ignorance, in contrast, can usua

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2005-04-15 Thread Mathias Bauer
Lars D. Noodén wrote: > What is the best way to enlighten the large population of end users that > there are applications that track and report on all their activties and > that OOo is not one of them? > > On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > >> How in the world is that the respons

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2005-04-18 Thread Bernd Eilers
Hi there! Alexandro Colorado wrote: [... snip ...] The behavior however that I couldn't explain was the one that happens when you start OOo. Since I dont use any firewall I couldn't duplicate it and verify it, but I did know people that duplicate and verify that OOo makes calls to the internet (or

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2005-04-18 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Good to know. Cheers. Mensaje citado por Bernd Eilers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi there! > > Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > [... snip ...] > > The behavior however that I couldn't explain was the one that happens when > you > > start OOo. Since I dont use any firewall I couldn't duplicate it and v

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2005-04-19 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Thanks, Bernd. That clears up a lot to me. Apparently the bug in MS-Windows was being misunderstood by the end user. On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Bernd Eilers wrote: If I recall it correctly the reason for this was that OOo was just "only!" simply asking the system for it´s hostname on startup. Unfort

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2005-04-14 Thread Rigel
Before OOo attempts to open a connection, have a clear and concise message appear notifying the user that in-fact, a connection to sun is about ot be established and that their firewall may inform them that they may need to clear security provisions to allow OOo to communicate teh error report, so