Re: [discuss] [IMPORTANT] Broken ODF support in MS Office 2007 SP2

2009-05-12 Thread Robin Laing
Ian wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 14:58 -0400, Douglas St.Clair wrote: Well let me see if I understand the problem in general. Microsoft has had a policy of 'embrasse and extend' meaning they will adopt a standard and then add to it in such a fashion as to make backwards compatibility

Re: [discuss] [IMPORTANT] Broken ODF support in MS Office 2007 SP2

2009-05-11 Thread Ian
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 14:58 -0400, Douglas St.Clair wrote: Well let me see if I understand the problem in general. Microsoft has had a policy of 'embrasse and extend' meaning they will adopt a standard and then add to it in such a fashion as to make backwards compatibility impossible if

Re: [discuss] [IMPORTANT] Broken ODF support in MS Office 2007 SP2

2009-05-10 Thread Douglas St.Clair
Well let me see if I understand the problem in general. Microsoft has had a policy of 'embrasse and extend' meaning they will adopt a standard and then add to it in such a fashion as to make backwards compatibility impossible if you employ any of their extensions. Sooo what is broken.

Re: [discuss] [IMPORTANT] Broken ODF support in MS Office 2007 SP2

2009-05-10 Thread M. Fioretti
On Sun, May 10, 2009 14:58:09 PM -0400, Douglas St.Clair wrote: Has Microsoft failed to properly implement the standard or has it 'extended' it? This has been discussed quite in depth just a few days ago in the users list. I suggest that everybody interested browses this thread:

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-20 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Sophie, sophie gautier schrieb: The real problem with all this, is (imho) that the council does not need to report to any entity, if it's following the rules. There is no need to tweak the rules, if you can just ignore them. I'd really love to have something like this in the charter but

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-14 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Dr. Bernhard Dippold schrieb: The present version of the charter mentions Community Managers as eligible for a Project Lead seat (IV.A.i.c+d) even without being Lead of any project. This was modified for the future version: A Community Manager must be Project Lead to be eligible. I

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-14 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi André, all, André Schnabel wrote: Hi, [...]You miss a change in the meaning of the sections wrong. [...] For every group (but Sun Staff member) the term *representative* is used. This is on purpose - as the people in the council should reprecent a group of people - but to represent a

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-11 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
Bernhard, On 2008-12-07, at 09:07 , Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi, I don't know if it is on purpose, that the Community Manager (Louis) is not part of the Community Council. ? I was elected and continue to be re-elected to this body, making me part of the CC. I am also a lead in the

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-11 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
Lars, On 2008-12-07, at 10:13 , Lars Noodén wrote: One part I see that is very vulnerable to abuse, intentionally or accidentally, is the rush vote. Too much crap gets pushed through in emergency sessions in city councils and in student organizations. The contingency vote also gets

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-11 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
On 2008-12-07, at 11:02 , André Schnabel wrote: Hi Bernhard, Dr. Bernhard Dippold schrieb: I don't know if it is on purpose, that the Community Manager (Louis) is not part of the Community Council. He might be included as Sun Staff Member, but the only part where Community Managers

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-11 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi Louis, all, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Bernhard, On 2008-12-07, at 09:07 , Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote: I don't know if it is on purpose, that the Community Manager (Louis) is not part of the Community Council. ? I was elected and continue to be re-elected to this body, making me part of

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi, I don't know if it is on purpose, that the Community Manager (Louis) is not part of the Community Council. He might be included as Sun Staff Member, but the only part where Community Managers are mentioned is the one about approving modifications to the charter. As this plebiscite will

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread Lars Noodén
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: [...] The proposed amended Charter is at: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Items/Charter_Proposal In principal this looks like the right direction, but the devil is in the details. There needs to be adequate checks and balances to prevent it

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread Sigrid Kronenberger
Am Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:46:36 -0500 schrieb Louis Suarez-Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All, *Introduction* Prompted by André Schnabel, Cor Nouws and others on the Community Council, the Community Council would like to change its enabling Charter to broaden eligibility and thus

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread Lars Noodén
One part I see that is very vulnerable to abuse, intentionally or accidentally, is the rush vote. Too much crap gets pushed through in emergency sessions in city councils and in student organizations. The contingency vote also gets tried, but most of the time it is simply a way of circumventing

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread Ian Lynch
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 22:46 -0500, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: ** We now need to conduct a plebiscite on this list, the primary discuss list for OpenOffice.org. A plebiscite here means a referendum on the merits of the proposal. Serious objections to the proposal at hand will stop its

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Bernhard, Dr. Bernhard Dippold schrieb: I don't know if it is on purpose, that the Community Manager (Louis) is not part of the Community Council. He might be included as Sun Staff Member, but the only part where Community Managers are mentioned is the one about approving modifications

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Lars, Lars Noodén schrieb: One part I see that is very vulnerable to abuse, intentionally or accidentally, is the rush vote. Too much crap gets pushed through in emergency sessions in city councils and in student organizations. The contingency vote also gets tried, but most of the time it

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Lars Noodén schrieb: Speaking of which, what is quorum and how are decisions made? the same as for regular votes - consent is needed. If I understand correctly, consent in § 5.2, and clarified in § 6.4 is meant to be consensus, No - 5.2 (Consent voting) speaks of Consent, what is

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread Lars Noodén
André Schnabel wrote: I will revert the changes - and write mor on the topic later. OK, my mistake apparently. Though I may ask wtf it is doing in a wiki then, without even ACLs, and why post the URL, if it is not there to be changed? No in recent years we had the clear rule, that all

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread André Schnabel
Hi Lars, Lars Noodén schrieb: OK, my mistake apparently. Though I may ask wtf it is doing in a wiki then, without even ACLs, and why post the URL, if it is not there to be changed? Well - it has been there to be changed for a while. And I brought the topic sometimeshere to the list.

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Lars, Lars Noodén wrote (7-12-2008 18:32) [...] Look, rushing this, too, will make a mess. The rules of voting will more or less determine what behavior is brought forth. [...] Thanks for sharing your concerns. We always have to be careful. But since the people on the OOo community

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread sophie
Hi André, all, André Schnabel wrote: [...] The real problem with all this, is (imho) that the council does not need to report to any entity, if it's following the rules. There is no need to tweak the rules, if you can just ignore them. I'd really love to have something like this in the

Re: [discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-07 Thread sophie gautier
Hi André, all, André Schnabel wrote: [...] The real problem with all this, is (imho) that the council does not need to report to any entity, if it's following the rules. There is no need to tweak the rules, if you can just ignore them. I'd really love to have something like this in the

[discuss] Important: Plebiscite on Changes to Council Charter

2008-12-04 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
All, *Introduction* Prompted by André Schnabel, Cor Nouws and others on the Community Council, the Community Council would like to change its enabling Charter to broaden eligibility and thus participation in the Council. This amended Charter, Version 1.2, has been unanimously approved by

[discuss] IMPORTANT

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Re: [discuss] IMPORTANT

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Re: [discuss] Important news for you about new products

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Re: [discuss] Important missing spreadsheet feature

2005-03-23 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Fabio, On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 12:28:41 +0100, Fabio wrote: I find that there is one important missing feature in the spreadsheet program: The possibility to set the colums label in number format in substitution of letter format. This feature is very useful in many many cases. Would

[discuss] Important missing spreadsheet feature

2005-03-22 Thread Fabio
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