Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-30 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On 25/01/2005, at 15:26, John W. Kennedy wrote: The /filename/ belongs in the title bar. The present kewl feature accomplishes nothing but to drive the user slowly mad when working on two documents with the same title. So lets display both :-) Example: - My Document Title (filename.odt)

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-30 Thread Ralph Aichinger
On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 20:11 +0200, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: So lets display both :-) Example: - My Document Title (filename.odt) /me not sure how seriously should her suggestion be taken... Well, there are only that many permutations, I think we are through them by now.

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-30 Thread Peter Kupfer
Ralph Aichinger wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 20:11 +0200, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: So lets display both :-) Example: - My Document Title (filename.odt) /me not sure how seriously should her suggestion be taken... Well, there are only that many permutations, I think we are

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-30 Thread Ralph Aichinger
On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 15:09 -0600, Peter Kupfer wrote: What is beginning to baffle me, is why we even have file titles. They serve no purpose other than as a field, and we already have a field tool. I have not researched this, but I've got my theory. I think you will not like it though: 1.

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-30 Thread Peter Kupfer
Ralph Aichinger wrote: On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 15:09 -0600, Peter Kupfer wrote: What is beginning to baffle me, is why we even have file titles. They serve no purpose other than as a field, and we already have a field tool. I have not researched this, but I've got my theory. I think you will not

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-30 Thread Lars D. Noodn
Ralph Aichinger wrote: 1. We've got titles because MS Word has them 2. MS Word has titles because once upon a time, when competing products to Windows had long filenames with spaces, and without ugly extensions, Microsoft wanted to have a stop-gap solution to help users who were confused

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-28 Thread Mathias Bauer
Rich wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: Rich wrote: ... I'm afraid it's not so easy (as Niklas Nebel already pointed out). For whatever reason the author of the specification thinks that Calc should restore the cell selection by default while the other applications should always start at the first

Re: [discuss] -- [Off-List] -- Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-28 Thread Mathias Bauer
Peter Kupfer wrote: Mathias -- Hope off list is okay. :) Please read my sig. :-) Is there a tutorial or at least some sort of guide line to do this somewhere in the OOo site or somewhere else. I would consider elaborating on whatever exists or making one. I just don't know where to

[discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes.

2005-01-27 Thread Charles Marcus
I too am a little distressed at the possibility that the devs are going to intentionally remove options. I agree that too many options can be very confusing. However, choice is just as important, and intentionally *limiting* choice, when there is a way to do *both* (simplify the UI, but still

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-26 Thread Rich
Joerg Barfurth wrote: Rich wrote: ... But if you want to transfer only a selected subset of your customizations, then you need to know which files to copy (and some files need not be copied at all, as they are transient caches or so). In this case you need a taxonomy of the files or directories

[discuss] -- [Off-List] -- Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-26 Thread Peter Kupfer
Mathias Bauer wrote: OOo setttings could be used in the same way. There are already a lot of settings you can't change in the Options dialog, and I agree that it might be preferable to remove even more from this dialog, but not from the configuration files itself. You can use a decent XML editor

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-26 Thread Jacob Floyd
I'm long winded I know, but I do have some ideas/feedback and I'd like to know what others think. On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:18:22 -0500, John W. Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Kupfer wrote: I have about 30 files called test.sxw, but each is in a different folder with a different title.

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-25 Thread Rich
Chad Smith wrote: ... This, IMO, was accepted without a whole lot of thought put into it. :( I've seen you and maybe one other person who claim to miss this feature. I don't think it is widely desired. I mean, how hard is it to remember you were on page 15 or even page 147? i don't think that

[discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-25 Thread Matt Needles
Matt Needles wrote: Chad Smith wrote: sniP There wasn't a Word Count there was a buried feature called Statistics in the Properties option of the file menu. This panel had, among other things, a total word count. The new Word Count will be able to do much more than just count *all* the words

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-25 Thread Chad Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Needles wrote: Ever look at Acrobat reader? File-Document Properties? It's in the right place-- has to do with the document/file currently opened. Matt Needles -Chad Smith PS. Acrobat Reader also has a Document menu, BTW, but the Document Properties is on File-

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-25 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 25--2005 08:47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Smith) wrote to discuss@openoffice.org: It helps get the job done for editing big docs. CS Again, I just remember where I was. If I can't tell by reading CS something in the general area where I have edited and where I haven't - CS putting a cursor at

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-25 Thread Peter Kupfer
Chad Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad Smith wrote: Two things here - I understand OOo is a unique program and isn't striving to be like everybody else. I also understand that any hint of OOo being a MS Office clone is a capital offense. However when every program on earth does

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-25 Thread Peter Kupfer
Chad Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kami wrote: I think titlebar must show the doc's title (is available) or filename (if not). And I think the current behavior is assinine. The /filename/ belongs in the title bar. The present kewl feature accomplishes nothing but to drive the user

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-24 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On 24/01/2005, at 05:25, Jonathon Blake wrote: Depends upon what you use OOo for. If you write in Hebrew, or Arabic, it looks like the best version to use will be OOo 1.1.2, for the foreseeable future. I have pulled together the user community here (Israel), and we got some of the major

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-24 Thread Giuseppe Bilotta
Monday, January 24, 2005 Chad Smith wrote: Two things here - I understand OOo is a unique program and isn't striving to be like everybody else. I also understand that any hint of OOo being a MS Office clone is a capital offense. However when every program on earth does something the same

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-24 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On 24/01/2005, at 15:07, Rich wrote: umm. that's the current behaviour :) and the problem is word, inserting meaningless titles automatically (and people never really checked what is in the title), so that titles usually where 2 or the title of previous secret agreement ;) ) so, this _should_

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-24 Thread Daniel Carrera
Shoshannah Forbes wrote: On 24/01/2005, at 08:06, Daniel Carrera wrote: If everyone expects to see File Exit, it would be *bad* to remove the Exit entry from the File menu and put it under a new Program menu, even if logically, a Program menu would make more sense. You are talking

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-24 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On 24/01/2005, at 16:09, Daniel Carrera wrote: Amazing... So Apple programs have a Program menu with an Exit entry? That's fantastic. The Program menu also holds the preferences and the about. Much more logical place if you ask me... (on Windows I am never shore if an app will have it's

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-24 Thread Chad Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shoshannah Forbes wrote: On 24/01/2005, at 08:06, Daniel Carrera wrote: If everyone expects to see File Exit, it would be *bad* to remove the Exit entry from the File menu and put it under a new Program menu, even if logically, a Program menu would make more

Re: [discuss] Re: Horrendous v2 changes...

2005-01-24 Thread Peter Kupfer
Daniel Carrera wrote: Chad Smith wrote: In most programs (and I don't just mean MS Office, I mean virtually any application with a File menu) the word Properties has nothing to do with count words. It's where you set up options for the overall program. I would expect that *that* Properties