Le dimanche 30 avril 2006 à 11:14 -0500, Rod Engelsman a écrit :
> I'm just really *tired* of waiting on Evolution.
Also in case anyone's interested Red Hat is currently hiring a developer
to work on evolution (fix the bugs its users report and interface with
the novell team). He won't work on the
Le dimanche 30 avril 2006 à 11:14 -0500, Rod Engelsman a écrit :
> Then all hope is lost. Can any PIM measure up to all that?
evo is mostly there, as is probably kmail. (speaking of the linux
version, didn't try the win32 port)
The moz familly of MUAs has a lot of the functions, but is badly ne
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le dimanche 30 avril 2006 à 10:08 -0500, Rod Engelsman a écrit :
All I'm saying is that a lot of the pieces for this thing already exist
in the OOo code base. In fact, you could prototype a fair amount of this
thing right now just using macros. Heck, OOo even already has
Le dimanche 30 avril 2006 à 17:34 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit :
> Nowadays a good PIM requires :
...
Also a big part of what Outlook/Notes do happens on the server-side so
you need both to learn to talk to exchange/domino (to allow stealth /
initial deployments) and provide a replacement serv
Le dimanche 30 avril 2006 à 10:08 -0500, Rod Engelsman a écrit :
> All I'm saying is that a lot of the pieces for this thing already exist
> in the OOo code base. In fact, you could prototype a fair amount of this
> thing right now just using macros. Heck, OOo even already has half of an
> emai
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le samedi 29 avril 2006 à 18:29 -0500, Rod Engelsman a écrit :
Having said that, though, I disagree with the characterization that this
would be creating this whole thing from scratch. One of the beauties of
OOo is the code reuse, and a whole lot of the pieces to a PIM a
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 13:05 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> However, there are many forms of "code reuse".
And all very interesting, but what is the OpenOffice.org development
strategy for 2.1 and 3.0? Without knowing this in some detail all the
discussions on possible courses of action become la
Le samedi 29 avril 2006 à 18:29 -0500, Rod Engelsman a écrit :
> Having said that, though, I disagree with the characterization that this
> would be creating this whole thing from scratch. One of the beauties of
> OOo is the code reuse, and a whole lot of the pieces to a PIM already
> exist in
Jozef Peterka wrote:
very funny, but idiotic inside ;)
I can clearly see OOo will have its PIM, then you can make jokes . . .
I am really glad I have started PIM-talk widely, since I never wrote something
like "Make a PIM otherwise I wont use OOo anymore", I thought this is a
mailing list, wh
very funny, but idiotic inside ;)
I can clearly see OOo will have its PIM, then you can make jokes . . .
I am really glad I have started PIM-talk widely, since I never wrote something
like "Make a PIM otherwise I wont use OOo anymore", I thought this is a
mailing list, where can anybody post his
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:26:42 -0400, Cor Nouws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Except when they do the 'inform' every other hour. And any answer
that you give them is not good enough. Then it becomes a liability.
I suspect they ask their fami
Rod Engelsman wrote:
Here's what I don't understand...
[...]
So I'm not jumping up and down screaming that we have to have it and we
have to have it now. I just disagree with a lot of the objections that
are raised against the idea. And I really don't understand the people
that seem to get
Rod Engelsman wrote:
>I don't understand how that is accepted as an incubator
Whilst both Project Management Software, and PIMs are nothing more than
glorified databases, the big difference is that people expect to use a
PIM in conjunction with an email/fax/snailmail/vmail client.
If you are wi
Rod Engelsman wrote:
Here's what I don't understand...
I was poking around on the project pages at openoffice.org and I took a
look at the project management project (http://oopm.openoffice.org/).
Now, if anything, project management seems even more peripheral to the
mission of OOo than a PI
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:26:42 -0400, Cor Nouws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Except when they do the 'inform' every other hour. And any answer
that you give them is not good enough. Then it becomes a liability.
I suspect they ask their fami
On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:26:42 -0400, Cor Nouws <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Except when they do the 'inform' every other hour. And any answer that
you give them is not good enough. Then it becomes a liability.
I suspect they ask their family and friends to post the
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Except when they do the 'inform' every other hour. And any answer that
you give them is not good enough. Then it becomes a liability.
I suspect they ask their family and friends to post the same request
frequently ;-)
Cor
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www.bsooo.nl - www.noueno
Le samedi 29 avril 2006 à 14:31 +0200, Cor Nouws a écrit :
> Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> Because in the FOSS world either you can contribute some work
> > (developping, documentation, whatever) and you have some standing, or
> > you don't and are a nobody (and the amount of screeching on ML and
> > fo
Insulting and condescending responses like this will keep people away from
OOo.org.
As for contributing, I promote OO.org at every opportunity, including on my
website. I
use programs that will accomplish what I need them to do, eather commercial or
open
source. I do not have time to wait for a
I think that is (or was) good practice in projects from techies for
techies.
For end user software, with high non-tech-user-demands, of which OOo is
an excellent example, I think it is better to find a different approach.
And besides that: even the fact that people bother to inform 'the
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le vendredi 28 avril 2006 à 23:50 -0600, Larry Gusaas a écrit :
On 29 Apr 2006 at 0:29, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:36:45 -0400, Larry Gusaas
Last time I tried Mozilla Calender it sucked big time. Bloated, slow
and practically unusable. Thunder
Larry Gusaas wrote:
On 29 Apr 2006 at 0:29, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
They can replace it right now, Outlook is not dependen of office
suite, you can still get outlook on a separate box at a cheaper
price. And if you want to go open source with your PIM you can always
adopt one of the many o
> Last time I tried Mozilla Calender it sucked big time. Bloated, slow
> and practically unusable. Thunderbird still isn't equal to other
> better programs.
Good, well the next step is to make it better until it fits your
needs. Did you ask them how can you help?
I am not a programmer. I
On 29 Apr 2006 at 0:29, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:36:45 -0400, Larry Gusaas
> > But many people are asking that OOo.org include
> > email/calendering/calender. They
> > need it in order to replace Office.
>
> They can replace it right now, Outlook is not dependen of
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:36:45 -0400, Larry Gusaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On 28 Apr 2006 at 12:53, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Great at least you are talking to the right project. The developers
here has nothing to do with calendaring/email stuff.
But many people are asking that OOo.org
On 28 Apr 2006 at 12:53, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> Great at least you are talking to the right project. The developers
> here has nothing to do with calendaring/email stuff.
But many people are asking that OOo.org include email/calendering/calender.
They
need it in order to replace Office.
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:17:37 -0400, Andrew Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok folks, while Thunderbird is lacking some features I like, I am ready
to
look at it again. Here is why:
I need calendar/scheduling/to-do's, etc. The calendar extension and /or
Sunbird were fairly horrid examples
Google Calendar rocks.
It's free, browser-based (ie crossplatform) and ful featured!
On 4/28/06, Andrew Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok folks, while Thunderbird is lacking some features I like, I am ready to
look at it again. Here is why:
I need calendar/scheduling/to-do's, etc. The c
Ok folks, while Thunderbird is lacking some features I like, I am ready to
look at it again. Here is why:
I need calendar/scheduling/to-do's, etc. The calendar extension and /or
Sunbird were fairly horrid examples. Probably why Mozilla has a team working
on the Lightning project. Lightning takes t
On 2006-04-19, Rean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you would implement an eMail client with the same functionality as
> Outlook, I would never use the MS Office Suite again and use OpenOffice.
>
> Keep up the great work!
Why not just use e.g. Thunderbird? Works fine here...
--
John ([EMAIL
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:12:30 -0500
Rod Engelsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Adams wrote:
>
> >
> > I've watched this whole thing go round and round in circles. I agree
> > with Daniel that OO.o doesn't need a mail client. I am not too sure
> > about Evolution though. I think what is ne
Ok, the deal is MADE :) Hope your best underwear are not tanga ;) cause
I would like to real wear it as a trophy :D
really it should be made some poll !
> My best underwear against yours: a PIM would not be anywhere near the
> first results.
>
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Jozef Peterka wrote:
Perhaps, it could be good idea to make a poll on www.openoffice.org with
question
Which function/component would you like to see in the next major release
of OOo?
and add some possibilities in it ... I am sure that mostly wanted
component is PIM/mail program. I BET MY BEST UN
Michael Adams wrote:
I've watched this whole thing go round and round in circles. I agree
with Daniel that OO.o doesn't need a mail client. I am not too sure
about Evolution though. I think what is needed is good communication
lines with the Gecko/Thunderbird/Sunbird developers. So that the two
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:56:03 -0400, jonathon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For my part, I am getting ready to install NetBSD, and use SendMail as
my email client. [At least that program knows how to deal with 10 000
messages per day,]
huh? I am confused, I thought sendm
Thank you, Rod,
well writen ! I agree with almost all your arguments, I just thought I
am the only one who wants PIM/mail in OOo and who see it as a clever
thing office suit should have
To Daniel:
still no relevant argument ? And BTW. I never found Mozilla programs
( Thunderbird and Sunbird or what
Rod Engelsman wrote:
1. Completeness. For better or worse, and for whatever reason, it has
become a consumer/user level expectation that an office suite will
include a PIM. MSO has one. WordPerfect Office has one. The old Lotus
SmartSuite had one. Hardly a day goes by that someone doesn't tak
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:38:48 -0500
Rod Engelsman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel Kasak wrote:
> >
> > I still haven't heard a convincing argument as to why anyone needs
> > an email client integrated into OpenOffice. Why is it so much easier
> > to send an email when the window title says "Op
Daniel Kasak wrote:
I still haven't heard a convincing argument as to why anyone needs an
email client integrated into OpenOffice. Why is it so much easier to
send an email when the window title says "OpenOffice" instead of
"Evolution".
First, you're setting up a strawman by focusing on o
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Like I said before this is FLOSS and if you have an itch, you are
welcome to scratch it, but is really annoying when you want other people
to scratch it for you at least when you get an answer and you keep
pointing out why u have that itch.
The problem is that f
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