Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-21 Thread John Gilmore
You can charge any price you like, and you're only obligated to pass on the code to those you sold or gave the binaries to. Well, no. Once you ship a binary to even a single person (outside your company), that person is free under the GPL license to make

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-21 Thread Joel Koltner
John, I understand that if you just provide the binaries to a customer, you must give them a means to get the source code, and if they choose to distribute that binary to others, they'll just pass on that original offer and hence you're on the hook for providing anyone with source thereafter.

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-21 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Joel Koltner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I understand that if you just provide the binaries to a customer, you must give them a means to get the source code, and if they choose to distribute that binary to others, they'll just pass on that original offer

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-21 Thread Jeff Brower
Joel- Your question doesn't make sense to me. If your clients pay you to develop source code that derives from, or partially incorporates, GPL licensed code then they own the developed source, not you. They are responsible for license issues with the newly developed code. If someone were to

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Jeff Brower [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joel- Your question doesn't make sense to me. If your clients pay you to develop source code that derives from, or partially incorporates, GPL licensed code then they own the developed source, not you. They are responsible for license issues with the

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-21 Thread Jeff Brower
Greg- Your question doesn't make sense to me. If your clients pay you to develop source code that derives from, or partially incorporates, GPL licensed code then they own the developed source, not you. They are responsible for license issues with the newly developed code. This is getting

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-21 Thread Joel Koltner
Your question doesn't make sense to me. If your clients pay you to develop source code that derives from, or partially incorporates, GPL licensed code then they own the developed source, not you. They might own it, but since using GPL requires the company who paid me to provide the new

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Choolo
Matt-John wrote: Hello All, We are planning to use USRP/GNURADIO core to produce some commercial products. Is this legal ? If not, how we can make it legal ? We dont want to start anything not legal, so the answer is important.Thanks. Matt I am also interested in knowing the

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Eric Blossom
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:26:03AM -0700, Choolo wrote: Matt-John wrote: Hello All, We are planning to use USRP/GNURADIO core to produce some commercial products. Is this legal ? If not, how we can make it legal ? We dont want to start anything not legal, so the answer is

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Philip Balister
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Eric Blossom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:26:03AM -0700, Choolo wrote: Matt-John wrote: Hello All, We are planning to use USRP/GNURADIO core to produce some commercial products. Is this legal ? If not, how we can make it legal ?

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Michael Dickens
As others have already said, but just to emphasize the point yet again, you really need to talk with a lawyer / firm qualified to understand your business' (potential or real) issues. IANAL and TINLA! To get more specific: Are you planning on using the USRP for wireless (RF) applications?

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Frank Brickle
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Eric Blossom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should seek professional legal advice and be sure that you understand the terms of the license. The problem is finding a lawyer who truly, actually understands the GPL. They're both pretty busy these days. ;-)

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Rudy Moore
Matt-John wrote: Hello All, We are planning to use USRP/GNURADIO core to produce some commercial products. Is this legal ? If not, how we can make it legal ? Matt Matt, I'm sorry, but that is illegal. You can use the USRP, but not the GNURADIO firmware or software. Rudy

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread charles
and in fact I am looking forward to it. Charles Wyble --Original Message-- From: Rudy Moore Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org Sent: Jul 20, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially Matt-John wrote: Hello All, We are planning

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Rudy Moore wrote: We are planning to use USRP/GNURADIO core to produce some commercial products. Is this legal ? If not, how we can make it legal ? I'm sorry, but that is illegal. You can use the USRP, but not the GNURADIO firmware or software. Rudy Um, no. GNU Radio is licensed

RE: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Kenan Ezal
Matt, I'm sorry, but that is illegal. You can use the USRP, but not the GNURADIO firmware or software. Rudy This is completely false. The GNU GPL license does allow you to package the software covered by the license and sell it so long as you make the software freely available to the buyer.

RE: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Rudy Moore
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:55:50 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry, but that is illegal. You can use the USRP, but not the GNURADIO firmware or software. Um, no. Okay you got me. But answer me this: Why did we (the gnuradio experts) select a license that does not provide a

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Frank Brickle
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Michael Ossmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...An educated lawyer is going to be able to provide insights into how a particular license or contract affects his or her client, even after a single reading, that a layman would not notice... The complaint is aimed

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Frank Brickle
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Rudy Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay you got me. But answer me this: Why did we (the gnuradio experts) select a license that does not provide a clear answer to Matt's question? The answer *is* clear. It's not even very complicated. Nevertheless, for

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Using USRP/GNURADIO Commercially

2008-07-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Rudy Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:55:50 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sorry, but that is illegal. You can use the USRP, but not the GNURADIO firmware or software. Um, no. Okay you got me. But answer me this: Why did we