RE: re[4]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
ext 10 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:30 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: re[4]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Then what exactly were you asking when you wrote "How about this one?" ? > Unfortunately ron ayers is incomplete. I really need a com

re[2]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10
the content and images. Seems to me they would be doing the same thing? John [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:25 AM To: discussion@acfug

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
--From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dean H. SaxeSent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:16 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!Good question... and I am not sure of a good answer on that one. I've always wondered how Google and t

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread John Mason
PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!Good question... and I am not sure of a good answer on that one. I've always wondered how Google and the WayBackMachine get away with it and call it "fair-use". -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CEH

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
From: Ken Auenson, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:18 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!   just playing devils advocate here...   Most sites have a TOS that prohibit data mining... It just happens that the sites

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!   just playing devils advocate here...   Most sites have a TOS that prohibit data mining... It just happens that the sites listed don't appear to have any terms of service.  A search engine is indexing your data for the purpose of helping

re[4]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10
770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:38 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: re[2]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! I'm not sure what you're asking, but from a spideri

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Ken Auenson, II
CTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dean H. SaxeSent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:25 AMTo: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Uh, you may have some copyright issues if you steal the images.   -dhs   Dean H. Saxe [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[T]he people can alw

RE: re[2]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
ext 10 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:38 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: re[2]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! I'm not sure what you're asking, but from a spidering perspective, I'd say ronayers.com is probably the easiest. They have a fairly stra

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dean H. SaxeSent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:25 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!Uh, you may have some copyright issues if you steal the images.-dhs Dean H. Saxe [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[T]he people can alwa

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread John Mason
same thing?   John [EMAIL PROTECTED]       -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dean H. SaxeSent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:25 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!Uh, you may have some copyright issu

re[2]: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10
une 08, 2006 11:55 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Wow, that site looks complex to me. I think you're going to spending lots and lots of time trying to retrieve useful data from page layout... have you seen the javascript links? The dynamic page numbering?

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
- From: Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:55 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Wow, that site looks complex to me. I think you're going to spending lots and lots of time trying to retrieve useful data from

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:06 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!   This might sound like an odd solution.   Contact them and ask if you

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Teddy Payne
Dean is right.  Regex does take time, but can be rewarding if you find patterns.  The legalities of images deals with giving credit to the copywriten logos to the originating source.  Now if you are going to use it for a commerce site, check to see if it what you trying to do would be worth while t

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Philip Arnold
Robert ReilSent: 08 June 2006 15:17To: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Hi all.   Good to see all at the meeting last night. --- Data Mining.   I am gearing up to do some

re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Mischa Uppelschoten ext 10
Wow, that site looks complex to me. I think you're going to spending lots and lots of time trying to retrieve useful data from page layout... have you seen the javascript links? The dynamic page numbering? IMHO, that is going to be a nightmare. The main problem I see with spending that much time

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
08, 2006 11:21 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING! Ok, so far Robert's gotten semi-helpful advice from one person (thanks Teddy) - anyone else? *sigh* George On 6/8/06, Dean H. Saxe <[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Teddy Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:45 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!   A good point.  Just stick with the makes and models and that should be

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
June 08, 2006 10:25 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!  Uh, you may have some copyright issues if you steal the images.   -dhs   Dean H. Saxe [EMAIL PROTECTED] "[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Fluffy Bananachunks
Ok, so far Robert's gotten semi-helpful advice from one person (thanks Teddy) - anyone else? *sigh* George On 6/8/06, Dean H. Saxe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @ http://www.acfug.or

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
This is getting into an area of questionable legality IMHO.FWIW, using RegEx to parse HTML is not an easy task.  It can be done, most certainly, but it takes time and patience.-dhs Dean H. Saxe, CEH[EMAIL PROTECTED]"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do no

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Teddy Payne
A good point.  Just stick with the makes and models and that should be considered public domain.On 6/8/06, Dean H. Saxe < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uh, you may have some copyright issues if you steal the images.-dhs Dean H. Saxe[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
, Inc. 4292 Country Garden Walk NW Kennesaw, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com From: Dean H. Saxe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:25 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!   Uh, you may

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Teddy Payne
Well that would be considered data spidering or screen scraping.  Just make sure you are calling their frame and not the page.  After that, just need to remove all the excess tags and so forth using regular expressions. To learn how to use regular expressions, this is a good site.http://www.regula

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
Uh, you may have some copyright issues if you steal the images.-dhs Dean H. Saxe[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[T]he people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposin

[ACFUG Discuss] DATA MINING!

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Reil
Title: Message Hi all.   Good to see all at the meeting last night. --- Data Mining.   I am gearing up to do some data mining from some sites. Preech told me about to make this work.   You gurus out there if you h