RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Steve Drucker
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Wehunt Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:13 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I think all the comments so far are spot on. Your learning style will definitely dictate what method is best for you. However I think that you need to look

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Rick Lansford
, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you should note that AbleCommerce

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Cody Wehunt
] Behalf Of Steve Drucker Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very valid points -- AbleCommerce has its own mechanisms for customization...many of which I didn't particularly care for, personally. Also, you

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Jeremy Allen
Garden Walk NWKennesaw, Ga. 30152Office 770-974-8851Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com-Original Message- From: Steve Drucker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:27 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Yes, Cody has many very

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Brooks . Wilson
Architect Federal Reserve Bank - Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/19/2006 09:34 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I don't

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread John Mason
So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else is interested please let me know. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list, manage your profile @

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread pcc
If I'm not in, I would like to be added. I've got CF 6 and would like to get CF 7. So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else is interested please let me know. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:34 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group Count me in John. On 6/20/06, John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study group. If anyone else

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
20, 2006 12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to turn out a solution

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Cody Wehunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:04 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Well here is the thing. From what I have seen

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Teddy Payne
12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to turn out a solution

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:23 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Database Schema usually refers to the definition and design of your database. You will see acronyms like DDL (Data Defintion Language) or some might refer

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Teddy Payne
, June 20, 2006 12:16 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Robert don't be scared. Just design it and implement it. You will always be stuck in the gulf of wondering if you can do it or not unless you actually do it. You don't need a Ph.D to turn out

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Douglas Knudsen
is it still the case that if you are certified for version n, you are certified for version n+1? DK On 6/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm not in, I would like to be added. I've got CF 6 and would like to get CF 7. So far we have 3-4 people in the certification study

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Teddy Payne
Wasn't that for 4 to 5?I am not sure it was for 5 to 6 or 6 to 7.On 6/20/06, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:is it still the case that if you are certified for version n, you are certified for version n+1?DKOn 6/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm not in, I would like

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Ramirez, Ruben - Curtis 1000
I would like pursue this as well. Thanks, Ruben Ramirez From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert ReilSent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:51 PMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group Both I and Jared Rapp would like

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Reil
- Curtis 1000 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:54 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion - Study Group I would like pursue this as well. Thanks, Ruben Ramirez From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-20 Thread Cody Wehunt
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:19 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I will say that the $1000 it costs just for the Database, and data recording feature part of it all built up and a place to grow from it is probably worth that to have it as a starting point

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Shawn . Gorrell
Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion SQL In 10 Minutes seems like a fine book for learning the basics of SQL Syntax. What I don't see is a good grounding in Normalization and database design. The Learn

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Jeremy Allen
- Atlanta Office (404) 498-8449 Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/18/2006 12:49 AM Please respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion SQL In 10 Minutes seems like a fine book for learning

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Douglas Knudsen
To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I don't particularly care for that book as the author goes on tangents that didn't seem to belong in a database design book. The author also seems to go to great pains to avoid discussing normalization

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Charlie Arehart
wikipedia is another good starting point. /charlie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy AllenSent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:50 AMTo: discussion@acfug.orgSubject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion SQL In 10 Minutes seems like a fine book for learning

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Charlie Arehart
necessarily good practice. I'll have more on that in a moment. /charlie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:39 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion By the way

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-19 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
respond to discussion@acfug.org To discussion@acfug.org cc Subject Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Sure it isn't an all encompassing book. I think it works well as a place to start for programmers who have probably never taken database design in college or elswhere, which

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread John Mason
, Ga. 30152 Office 770-974-8851 Fax 770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:51 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion By the way, if you haven't seen it yet I have a little advice

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread Robert Reil
770-974-8852 www.motorcyclecarbs.com -Original Message- From: John Mason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:15 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Robert, I'm surprised no one else brought this up, but ACFUG actually has

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread John Mason
Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:06 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I am interested in a Cert Class. Ironically I got my MCSE not for the money but wanted to know how it worked! How much better I could achieve a cert along the way and a feather

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread Cody Wehunt
Yes, I think I would like to finally get mine. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mason Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:06 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion The certification doesn't

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-18 Thread Cody Wehunt
amount about database design, not just SQL and Cold Fusion. Cody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Reil Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 6:56 AM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion Thank you all

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Jeremy Allen
I am a book learner. It really depends on what type of learner you are. Of course at a couple hundred dollars you won't be able to afford any hard core classes. You will be able to buy all of the books you need. A couple of good CF books, a good database design book, and maybe later one good book

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Rick Lansford
I took a class, but looking back, it would have been just as easy to learn on my own. However, I am not in the league with the others on this list (I still pretty much use a basic to mid-level programming technique). So if your goal is to get to their level I think it would take some formal

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Charlie Arehart
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:45 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I'm with Jeremy on this. I'm a book learner, read a book, implement, read more, implement more. I'm a self-taught

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Douglas Knudsen
. Saxe Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:45 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I'm with Jeremy on this. I'm a book learner, read a book, implement, read more, implement more. I'm a self-taught programmer, unless you consider taking Pascal in college

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Gerrey . Mary-Catherine
Whle some learn best by book, some of us don't. Even in college, I had to write notes from my readings and to study I would rewrite my notes, as retarded as that sounds. Just readingnor hearing a teacher in class make things click for me. It is a weird combination of all of those, plus doing it.

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Steven Ross
17, 2006 4:45 PM To: discussion@acfug.org Subject: RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion I'm with Jeremy on this.I'm a book learner, read a book, implement, read more, implement more.I'm a self-taught programmer, unless you consider taking Pascal in college in 1990 part of my career (I don't

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning Cold Fusion

2006-06-17 Thread Jeremy Allen
SQL In 10 Minutes seems like a fine book for learning the basics of SQL Syntax. What I don't see is a good grounding in Normalization and database design. The Learn SQL in 10 minutes book focuses on SQL Syntax and SQL Queries. That is good... you DO need to know all of that and I suppose a