On 30 January 2014 05:33, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
Eh, I think both 1 and 3 are things that are possibly reasonable to happen and
they are both things that I've contemplated as things to bring forward in
using xz as an alternative compression format. Even if #1 would need a major
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:
On Wed, 29/1/14, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
That package installation utilities should not dabble in sys.path
manipulation.
The import path is the user's
On Thu, 30/1/14, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@gmail.com wrote:
Also end user.
If, as a user, I want to use inplace builds and PYTHONPATH
instead of virtualenvs for whatever reason, that should be
supported. Setuptools inserting stuff to sys.path that
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 January 2014 22:50, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
i.e. it would be nice if anyone setup to build C extensions could just
build numpy.
This has always been possible, and if not, that's certainly
On Thu, 30/1/14, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
This is the biggest concern I see with promoting wheels
being directly importable via zipimport (I say promoting and
not specifying deliberately, but I don't want to get back into
the process
On 30 January 2014 09:12, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 January 2014 22:50, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
i.e. it would be nice if anyone setup to build C extensions could just
build
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 January 2014 09:12, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 January 2014 22:50, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
i.e.
On 30 January 2014 09:45, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
So much heat over process, but so little light over exactly why
*appropriately designed* software deployed in wheels shouldn't be
importable.
Good point.
In my view, *appropriately designed* software is fine, and a metadata
Thanks. I've added the installation details and output from a test run.
Paul
On 30 January 2014 10:25, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 January 2014 09:12, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 Jan 2014 15:27, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
I can't believe folks are unable to differentiate between the difference
of
It's possible to do so because we didn't actively attempt to prevent it
and
This is a documented goal of the format and thus must be considered as
part of
the
My one technical issue is with going beyond zipimport
behaviour to the point of extracting DLLs to the filesystem.
I remain -1 on that feature, and I believe I have explained why I think
there are issues (and why I think that any solution should be part of
zipimport and not added on in
On 30 January 2014 21:57, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
My one technical issue is with going beyond zipimport
behaviour to the point of extracting DLLs to the filesystem.
I remain -1 on that feature, and I believe I have explained why I think
there are issues (and why I think that
Changing the subject to clearly focus the discussion.
On 30 January 2014 11:57, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
If you have other reasons for your -1, I'd like to hear them.
OK. Note that this is not, in my view, an issue with wheels, but
rather about zipfiles on sys.path, and
On 30 January 2014 12:29, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
I actually think this is a useful thing to experiment with, I'm just
not sure distlib is the best place for that experiment. With
appropriately secure tempfile handling and the right sys.path (and
module __path__) manipulation
On 30 January 2014 10:56, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
Here we go: https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues/4245
Thanks. I've added the installation details and output from a test run.
That bug report was just closed blaming a distutils issue which
apparently numpy aren't going to work
On 30 January 2014 11:57, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
ISTM the reason why it can't
go in there just yet is also the reason why one might have some reservations
about the feature: binary compatibility
Sorry, I didn't comment on this point. To me, binary compatibility is
*not* the
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:17 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:16 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 10:49 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan
On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 30, 2014, at 6:43 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 Jan 2014 15:27, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
I can't believe folks are unable to differentiate between the difference of
It's possible
On 30 January 2014 15:03, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
For those following along at home who have no interest in supporting zipped
Wheels who want to disclaim support for it, here's how you do zip_safe=False
for Wheels: https://gist.github.com/dstufft/8710270.
Note that this will also
On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 January 2014 15:03, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
For those following along at home who have no interest in supporting zipped
Wheels who want to disclaim support for it, here's how you do zip_safe=False
for
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On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 30 January 2014 15:03, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
wrote:
For those following along at home who have no interest in
I see you've noticed wheel was released in an imperfect state.
Let's add a Zip-Safe flag to the WHEEL file, values of true and
false same as Root-Is-Purelib.
Daniel
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Eric V. Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote:
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On Thu, 30/1/14, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Extracting C extensions from zipfiles on sys.path (Was: wheels on
sys.path clarification (reboot))
To: Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Distutils distutils-sig@python.org
Date:
Just an FYI, I've begun compiling notes and plan on proposing PEPs that will be
aimed at supplanting PEP 425 and PEP 427 with the goal of nailing down
undefined behavior, including missing functionality, and removing misfeatures.
On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 30/1/14, Eric V. Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote:
The flag really needs to convey 2 meanings:
- - There are some C extensions here that can't be loaded
unless they live on a real filesystem path.
- - There is some code (maybe in
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 January 2014 05:33, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
Eh, I think both 1 and 3 are things that are possibly reasonable to happen
and
they are both things that I've contemplated as things to bring forward in
using xz
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:17 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:16 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Jan 29,
On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:17 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Jan 29,
Am 30.01.2014 14:23, schrieb Paul Moore:
First of all, it is not possible to load a DLL into a process' memory
[2, 3] unless it is stored as a file in the filesystem.
[...]
[2] I'm talking from a Windows perspective here. I do not have
sufficient low-level knowledge of Unix to comment on
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 January 2014 05:33, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
Eh, I think both
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan
I searched this list for PEX and didn't find any hits, so I thought some people
here might be interested in the PEX software from Twitter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmpnGhRwsu0
is a 15-minute presentation by Brian Wickman about it and other topics. It uses
zipimport and is used to do
On 30 January 2014 16:33, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
I don't have good
references or pointers to good Python development or deployment
practices, but you may want to ask around on python-list.
And that is my biggest concern (deployment). I believe these questions
should be
On 30 January 2014 17:51, Thomas Heller thel...@ctypes.org wrote:
I wanted to post this to clarify the current state.
Thanks. I had no idea (or I'd forgotten - one or the other!) that this
was actually being done.
Paul
___
Distutils-SIG maillist -
Your best bet currently is to execute the mv command to change the
filename of the wheel.
I think bdist_wheel should probably accept a setup() argument to set
the tags. Currently you can just set a universal flag which means
pure 2+3 python.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Ronald Oussoren
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 January 2014 16:33, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
I don't have good
references or pointers to good Python development or deployment
practices, but you may want to ask around on python-list.
And that is my
Hi,
Is there a way to create a wheel that contains only python code, but can only
be installed on particular platforms?
In particular, I’m looking for a way to create a wheel for py2app that can only
be installed on OSX because py2app cannot “cross-compile” application bundles.
Ronald
On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 30/1/14, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@gmail.com wrote:
Also end user.
If, as a user, I want to use inplace builds and PYTHONPATH
instead of virtualenvs for whatever
One thing that might be useful would be to develop the unpacked
wheel which is currently undefined but would be deliberately
identical to a site-packages with just one wheel extracted into it.
You wouldn't have to argue or worry about the zip issue.
I like the way npm puts everything into a
On Thu, 30/1/14, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com wrote:
Is there a way to create a wheel that contains only python code, but
can only be installed on particular platforms?
Perhaps not yet, but the idea is there in the
On 30 Jan 2014, at 19:19, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
Your best bet currently is to execute the mv command to change the
filename of the wheel.
I think bdist_wheel should probably accept a setup() argument to set
the tags. Currently you can just set a universal flag which means
On 30 Jan 2014, at 19:23, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 30/1/14, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com wrote:
Is there a way to create a wheel that contains only python code, but
can only be installed on particular
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com wrote:
On 30 Jan 2014, at 19:19, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
Your best bet currently is to execute the mv command to change the
filename of the wheel.
I think bdist_wheel should probably accept a setup()
You are probably a perfect customer for supports_environment
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com wrote:
On 30 Jan 2014, at 19:36, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com
wrote:
On 30
On 30 Jan 2014, at 19:36, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com
wrote:
On 30 Jan 2014, at 19:19, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
Your best bet currently is to execute the mv command to change the
filename of
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that might be useful would be to develop the unpacked
wheel which is currently undefined but would be deliberately
identical to a site-packages with just one wheel extracted into it.
You wouldn't have to argue or
On 30 Jan 2014, at 17:27, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 30/1/14, Eric V. Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote:
The flag really needs to convey 2 meanings:
- - There are some C extensions here that can't be loaded
unless
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that might be useful would be to develop the unpacked
wheel which is currently undefined but would be deliberately
identical to a site-packages
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing that might be useful would be to develop the unpacked
wheel which is
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Jan 30, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com
wrote:
On
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
still far from seeing good reasoning. Please, correct me, but so far i
saw 2:
1. It is impossible to load C extensions
2. Error handling is bad
None of these reasons seems to be good enough to lead to a conclusion
Wow, it really can install from a directory-named-like-a-wheel with
the --no-index flag passed. I'm sad to say that is totally
unintentional, but bizarrely interesting.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Evgeny Sazhin eug...@sazhin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Daniel Holth
On Thu, 30/1/14, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, it really can install from a directory-named-like-a-wheel with
the --no-index flag passed. I'm sad to say that is totally unintentional,
but bizarrely interesting.
What, *more*
On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Noah Kantrowitz n...@coderanger.net wrote:
On Jan 30, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 30/1/14, Ralf Gommers ralf.gomm...@gmail.com wrote:
Also end user.
If, as a user, I
On 31 Jan 2014 02:48, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
How am i supposed to manage that using pip and virtual envs in
production?
The same way you'd use them in development? Hell I believe you can even
do:
$ virtualenv my_virtualenv
$ my_virtualenv/bin/pip install
Thanks for pointing that out Noah - I was planning to come back and check
if that wording was considered more acceptable.
On 31 Jan 2014 07:12, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
The updated text is fine with me as it at least accurately documents the
fact that using that
feature is fraught
On 30 Jan 2014 23:26, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 January 2014 12:29, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
I actually think this is a useful thing to experiment with, I'm just
not sure distlib is the best place for that experiment. With
appropriately secure tempfile
On 30 January 2014 22:38, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
The advantage of wheels over plain zipfiles for this use case is the
structured metadata. distlib.mount doesn't try to guess the package
structure for the extensions, you have to provide an EXTENSIONS file in the
metadata that
On Thu, 30/1/14, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm still not comfortable with the temp directory clutter that unpacking
leaves (in particular on Windows where deletion isn't even possible
in an atexit routine) but I'll survive.
It's up to
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