On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Richard Shebora wrote:
> Russ,
> Thanks for this clarification. After reading your post I went
> to http://pinaxproject.com/ and do indeed see your point. I am happy to
> jump on board and help with the project that is the generally accepted place
> for learning
; > apps that can be brought into compliance with the "Best Practices"
> > guidelines. While I do see this as a separate effort and needing a
> > separate site, I do think it is pivotal to "selling" django.
> >
> > As a new django developer I am constantl
These are all great posts!
I'll tell you from experience - there are two main concerns with most
large companies and web app development:
1. Can I hire people off the street who know product X?
2. How fast can I develop apps with product X?
Python and Django should be easy to pick up for compete
h the "Best Practices"
> guidelines. While I do see this as a separate effort and needing a
> separate site, I do think it is pivotal to "selling" django.
>
> As a new django developer I am constantly trying to determine the best
> way to implement a particular use cas
and needing a
separate site, I do think it is pivotal to "selling" django.
As a new django developer I am constantly trying to determine the best
way to implement a particular use case. [idea] So, could the
enterprise site focus on generating the use cases (pet store selling
python
Thanks for all the comments so far. I seem to have started a debate,
and that was exactly the purpose!
First, let me try to clarify something: I would never try to sell
Django as a CMS because it obviously isn't a CMS. But that doesn't
mean that comparisons with CMS's does not serve a purpose. The
On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:45 PM, Venkatraman S wrote:
> At the same time, look at Pinax - its almost dead since 0.7 and #pinax is
> mostly silent; whereas this is a kickass mashup which needs more innovation.
Let me make this clear: Pinax is *not* almost dead. Like every project there
are drops i
Richard,
Glad I managed to get across where I'm coming from - I was struggling
a bit with coming up with how to express it :). Great to hear you're
going to contact Tom and Venkatraman about helping. I hope you didn't
take anything I said as wanting to pour cold water on where you're
coming from -
Yo-Yo Ma,
You must be reading a different thread to me... Or rather I don't see
it in quite as negative terms as you do and I'm a bit baffled as to
how you've interpreted it quite so strongly!
Richard's OP was indeed not saying that we should go out and advertise
that it's a great CMS but he did
Kenneth,
You are right... of course.
However, I am not trying to disguise django as a cms, just trying to
say it would be great to have a best practices declaration for a cms
within django. And for all the other great modules that don't yet
play well together out of the box.
Thanks,
Richard She
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> > in the space that, say, drupal is in as although some of the
> > facilities it and other vaguely similar frameworks provide could have
> > been of use, a lot of what they provided wasn't a good fit or was just
> > irrelevant and if using them I would have been forced
On Thursday 17 June 2010 19:36:18 Richard Shebora wrote:
> You are correct. The "drupal/joomla/plone/wordpress space" does exist
> and it is where most people (non-developers) look first. These are
> the people who need to perceive django in a more positive light if the
> goal is to increase djan
more specific in this thread your approach seemed to be
> orientating towards "selling" Django by "selling" Django-based
> applications of a certain type (a bit like "selling" Zope by "selling"
> Plone, perhaps?) and thus the path to that being to
Russ,
Yes, I did at first see this as one issue. I see that your
"Enterprise" site should not define best practices but at most refer
to them as further reading. My email addresses the same issues as Tom
and Venkatraman above. Thanks for explaining.
Thanks,
Richard Shebora
On Thu, Jun 17, 201
This is also one of the things I like most about Django. It's helpful, but
not so much that it gets in the way or makes doing anything "outside the
box" difficult.
But, I'm just a newbie who's learning and doing lots of stuff wrong. But, I
continue work in Django because it seems like a sound in
y similar frameworks provide could have
been of use, a lot of what they provided wasn't a good fit or was just
irrelevant and if using them I would have been forced into doing
things a less-than-ideal way.
As you got more specific in this thread your approach seemed to be
orientating towards &qu
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Richard Shebora wrote:
> @Matt
>
> You are correct. The "drupal/joomla/plone/wordpress space" does exist
> and it is where most people (non-developers) look first. These are
> the people who need to perceive django in a more positive light if the
> goal is to in
@Matt
You are correct. The "drupal/joomla/plone/wordpress space" does exist
and it is where most people (non-developers) look first. These are
the people who need to perceive django in a more positive light if the
goal is to increase django market share. They are the people who hire
you and I.
> plug and play. A manager/developer making the decisions on a platform
> for their next project should be able to download django and just plug
> in the functionality he/she needs. Dependencies will exist but that's
> normal.
> If all that would happen django would be an easy choice for anyone
I have been thinking about this for a while and am writing this
because everything said so far interests me greatly...
I am not a qualified django developer (yet), but have been
successfully building commercial sites for over ten years with the
last five in python/zope/plone. I love the pluggabil
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:26 AM, finn wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have with interest followed the thread "Seeking Django vs. Joomla
> comparison", and it has inspired me to start this new thread.
>
> I consider myself a Python/Django programmer, and I do so because my
> experiences with a number of progra
Hi!
finn wrote:
> Now to the problem: a lot of people who needs websites have heard of
> Drupal or Joomla! or WordPress or PHP. But NOBODY has EVER heard about
> Django.
That's because Django is not a CMS. You cannot take it, install onto web
site and start adding content. With CMS you do exactl
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:56 PM, finn wrote:
> I think that we - the Django community - could do a better job selling
> our product, and I'd like to volunteer in this work. I just don't know
> how to do it.
>
Very well structured email - and i concur to the views expressed and i
myself am someti
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 21:56:12 finn wrote:
> I think that we - the Django community - could do a better job selling
> our product, and I'd like to volunteer in this work. I just don't know
> how to do it.
>
which is your market? The CMS market is aimed at the end user - the django
market is
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:26 PM, finn wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have with interest followed the thread "Seeking Django vs. Joomla
> comparison", and it has inspired me to start this new thread.
>
>
>
> Let me end this post with a comment to the "compare-apples-with-
> oranges"-thing that I hear so of
Hi,
I have with interest followed the thread "Seeking Django vs. Joomla
comparison", and it has inspired me to start this new thread.
I consider myself a Python/Django programmer, and I do so because my
experiences with a number of programming languages, CMS'es and web
frameworks has lead me to b
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