Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-07 Thread Michael Thomas
oh, shit. that was not intended to be public. apologies to all. please disregard. Mike On 1/7/21 6:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: On 1/7/2021 6:47 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: PS: what brought this all up was me pointing to a report which contradicted his claim, It didn't. and he nastily snarled

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-07 Thread Dave Crocker
On 1/7/2021 6:47 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: PS: what brought this all up was me pointing to a report which contradicted his claim, It didn't. and he nastily snarled about whether I had read it. There is a pleasant way to snarl? In any event, please document specifics, that qualify as 'snar

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-07 Thread Michael Thomas
PS: what brought this all up was me pointing to a report which contradicted his claim, and he nastily snarled about whether I had read it. he constantly gets away with that kind of shit and never suffers any consequences. never. yes, i've been told he's been tut-tut'd in private, but it never c

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-07 Thread Barry Leiba
Supporting what Tim said, and expanding a bit (and, yes, it's general, not specific): If we all do our best to stick to the technical issues and to keep our tone neutral, then it's easier for the chairs to respond appropriately to cases of inability to conduct civil discourse, and to target that re

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-06 Thread Tim Wicinski
Dave I agree. But it seems one person's civil discourse is another person's abuse. Perhaps we can start from the position that nobody is attempting to insult or abuse one another. I don't believe anyone here consciously wants to be abusive to anyone else. I have been accused of being an optimist

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-06 Thread Dave Crocker
On 1/6/2021 8:47 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: You should have a pretty good idea based on these arguments over the past few months to have a sense of how responses will be received. Take a step back and take a second read. This goes for all. Folks have very specific views of how they think mail sh

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-06 Thread Tim Wicinski
Dave You should have a pretty good idea based on these arguments over the past few months to have a sense of how responses will be received. Take a step back and take a second read. This goes for all. Folks have very specific views of how they think mail should work in regards to DMARC/DKIM/SPF/A

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-06 Thread Michael Thomas
On 1/6/21 4:21 PM, Seth Blank wrote: Working Group colleagues, Discussion on this list is increasingly out of scope and process, unproductive, and antagonistic. This behavior undermines the chartered work of this group and will not be tolerated. We expect and require more civil discourse fr

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-06 Thread Dave Crocker
On 1/6/2021 4:21 PM, Seth Blank wrote: and is not likely to escalate tensions. Seth, Sorry, but please provide guidelines for how anyone is supposed to evaluate their draft posting, in that regard? And please do it with respect to the current list rather than in abstract and generic terms

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-06 Thread Tim Wicinski
All If you feel a need to be heard, that is also what the chairs are here for. thanks tim On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 7:21 PM Seth Blank wrote: > Working Group colleagues, > > Discussion on this list is increasingly out of scope and process, > unproductive, and antagonistic. This behavior undermin

[dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

2021-01-06 Thread Seth Blank
Working Group colleagues, Discussion on this list is increasingly out of scope and process, unproductive, and antagonistic. This behavior undermines the chartered work of this group and will not be tolerated. We expect and require more civil discourse from our participants, and remind everyone tha