Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-17

2022-08-24 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 24. Aug 2022, at 22:13, Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > >> On 24. Aug 2022, at 20:22, Joe Abley wrote: >> >> On Aug 24, 2022, at 11:27, Schanzenbach, Martin >> wrote: >> >>> We (I) learned

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-17

2022-08-24 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 24. Aug 2022, at 20:22, Joe Abley wrote: > > On Aug 24, 2022, at 11:27, Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: > >> We (I) learned that this is a good approach after conversations with our >> reviewers in particular since it is very difficult to distingui

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-17

2022-08-24 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 24. Aug 2022, at 18:46, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Aug 24, 2022, at 11:27, Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: >> >> GNS, as in the protocol, does *not* consider "Example.gns.Alt" and >> "Example.gns.alt" to be the same name. &

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-17

2022-08-24 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
Hi, > On 24. Aug 2022, at 16:28, Peter Thomassen wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > On 8/24/22 10:13, Joe Abley wrote: >> So the question is not whether to allow mixed capitalisation; the question >> is why we would intentionally change a fundamental expectation of domain >> names to accommodate names

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-17

2022-08-23 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
Hi, " This document uses ".alt" for the pseudo-TLD in the presentation format for the DNS, corresponding to a 0x03616c7400 suffix in DNS wire format. The presentation and on-the-wire formats for non-DNS protocols might be different. " I had to read this 3 times

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-23 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 23. Aug 2022, at 16:47, Warren Kumari wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:29 AM, Peter Thomassen wrote: > On 8/23/22 07:02, Ray Bellis wrote: > > There will be a very long tail of systems out there that do not know about > ".alt". > > How would those systems respond when

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-23 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 23. Aug 2022, at 13:02, Ray Bellis wrote: > > > > On 23/08/2022 10:22, Andrew McConachie wrote: > >> The only restriction that seems reasonable to me is prohibiting zero length >> strings. This list convinced me other restrictions would be a bad idea. > > There will be a very long

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-23 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 20:33, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > On Aug 22, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: >> But I also think that if it is expected that name systems may "go rogue" >> e.g. use a new innovative new string encoding, then the regis

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 20:47, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > > Schanzenbach, Martin wrote on 2022-08-22 11:24: >>> On 22. Aug 2022, at 20:15, Paul Vixie >>> wrote: >>> ... >>> noting: by describing this as a reserved name subspace, we impli

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 20:15, Paul Vixie > wrote: > > > > Schanzenbach, Martin wrote on 2022-08-22 11:02: >> ... >>> On 22. Aug 2022, at 19:07, Ray Bellis wrote: >>> ... >>> On 22/08/2022 15:05, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>>> ... >

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 19:07, Ray Bellis wrote: > > > > On 22/08/2022 15:05, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >> I would prefer that they choose whatever is best for their own >> non-DNS user community, which might still be ASCII. > > Since this came up earlier in the thread(s), I would also strongly

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 11:41, Andrew McConachie wrote: > > > > On 20 Aug 2022, at 2:55, Warren Kumari wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:46 PM, Stephen Farrell >> wrote: >> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> On 19/08/2022 20:43, Warren Kumari wrote: >>> >>> So, it is perfectly acceptable (in my view)

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-20 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 20. Aug 2022, at 03:29, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > Hiya, > > On 20/08/2022 01:55, Warren Kumari wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:46 PM, Stephen Farrell >> wrote: >>> Hiya, >>> >>> On 19/08/2022 20:43, Warren Kumari wrote: >>> >>> So, it is perfectly acceptable

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and namespace mechanisms

2022-08-19 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 19. Aug 2022, at 17:06, Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: > > Signed PGP part > Hi Brian, > > thank you for the feedback. > >> On 19. Aug 2022, at 16:46, Brian Dickson >> wrote: >> >> One tidbit that might have been overlooked, is that d

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and namespace mechanisms

2022-08-19 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
Hi Brian, thank you for the feedback. > On 19. Aug 2022, at 16:46, Brian Dickson > wrote: > > One tidbit that might have been overlooked, is that draft-schanzen-gns (and > the various documents it references, including stuff in github) has a > technical problem. > > The TL;DR: is that

Re: [DNSOP] Anything goes in ALT, was On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

2022-08-16 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
Hi, > On 16. Aug 2022, at 16:32, David Conrad wrote: > > Signed PGP part > On Aug 15, 2022, at 7:07 PM, Stephen Farrell > wrote:On 16/08/2022 03:01, John Levine wrote: >>> Right. If it's FCFS, I am sure I am not the only person who will be >>> waiting at the gate with thousands of preemptive

Re: [DNSOP] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

2022-08-15 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 15. Aug 2022, at 20:25, Ray Bellis wrote: > > > > On 15/08/2022 19:17, Paul Vixie wrote: > >> of course i meant that each such namespace would get its own >> "sub-domain" under .alt (e.g., .GNS.ALT). > > Someone also gets to solve the problem of how you get a CA/Browser Forum >

Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-04 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 4. Aug 2022, at 21:28, David Conrad wrote: > > Martin, > Hi David, > On Aug 4, 2022, at 12:01 PM, Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: >> But the resolution protocol is technology-neutral. I invite you to re-read >> the draft. We are not proposing a namespac

Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-04 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 4. Aug 2022, at 18:01, Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: > > > >> On 4. Aug 2022, at 16:17, Vittorio Bertola >> wrote: >> >>> Il 04/08/2022 14:37 CEST Schanzenbach, Martin ha >>> scritto: >>> >>> You are trying to k

Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-04 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 4. Aug 2022, at 16:17, Vittorio Bertola > wrote: > >> Il 04/08/2022 14:37 CEST Schanzenbach, Martin ha >> scritto: >> >> You are trying to kill it using, what, political arguments? > > Yes. There is nothing technical in this discussion.

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-04 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 4. Aug 2022, at 14:06, Vittorio Bertola > wrote: > > > >> Il 04/08/2022 08:40 CEST Martin Schanzenbach ha >> scritto: >> >> Anyway, going to ICANN in order to collect a TLD is not a reasonable process >> for >> publishing our draft. >> We would not even know what the process would

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-03 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 3. Aug 2022, at 16:46, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > On Aug 3, 2022, at 12:36 AM, Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: >> >> Having now read further I am pretty convinced that the advisory is not >> useful in the context of this thread discussion. >> Ist sais

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-03 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
Having now read further I am pretty convinced that the advisory is not useful in the context of this thread discussion. Ist sais at the end that [1] was the "impetus" for the advisory. However, [1] states that "Why not use .alt? The proposed .alt presudo-TLD is specifically only for use as a

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 2. Aug 2022, at 14:39, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > > On 02/08/2022 13.53, Martin Schanzenbach wrote: >> This is not an oversight (altough I have to admin it did not occur to me >> that this a valid DNS TLD at the time of writing). [...] >> > Oh, I understood that this DNSOP thread - notably

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-07-23 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
Hi, FWIW our draft [1] which is currently in IESG conflict review is related to this "issue". Namely, the question of namespace ambiguity is discussed in it [2] as we were unable to register a Special-Use TLD in the past [3] (as some of you may remember). There already have been discussions