[Dri-devel] Re: Feedback on preemptible kernel patch

2001-09-14 Thread Robert Love
On Sat, 2001-09-15 at 00:25, Dieter Nützel wrote: > > > > ReiserFS may be another problem. > > > Can't wait for that. > Most wanted, now. I am working on it, but I am unfamilar with it all. Are you seeing any specific problems, now? With the latest preemption patch on 2.4.10-pre9, do you crash

[Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Dieter Nützel
Brian Paul wrote: > > Here's the deal. The DRI developers, including myself, have been laid-off > from VA Linux. Today (Friday) is my last day. That's sad. But how the world goes. Daryll, what are you doing, next? > There's an effort to relocate us to a new organization but it's too early > t

[Dri-devel] Re: Feedback on preemptible kernel patch

2001-09-14 Thread Dieter Nützel
Am Freitag, 14. September 2001 06:35 schrieb Robert Love: > On Thu, 2001-09-13 at 22:47, Dieter Nützel wrote: > > > -- ReiserFS may be another problem. > > > > Can't wait for that. Most wanted, now. > > > > > third, you may be experiencing problems with a kernel optimized for > > > Athlon. thi

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Frank Earl
On Friday 14 September 2001 21:08, you wrote: > That's fine -- I wasn't suggesting that. But, for the people who can > actually do this job, the r128/G400 isn't terribly interesting anymore. > Isn't the whole open source thing about developers scratching an itch? Cool. It just came across diff

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Gareth Hughes
Frank Earl wrote: > > How about all those people without the luxury of upgrading- say laptops > and things like iMacs? Go buy a whole new computer- not an option, when > you think about it. This is not to say you have to be doing it- but > someone ought to be doing something about it. I'm n

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Gareth Hughes
Frank Earl wrote: > > > Some are saying that Linux on the desktop is already dead... > > Really? Somehow, I find that hard to believe with places like Largo, FL > using it on the desktop- I'm of the belief that it's still in its infancy. Again, I don't actually agree with the statement. Howev

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Frank Earl
On Friday 14 September 2001 18:22, Gareth Hughes wrote: > Indeed, this is a problem... Mind you, in the days of the GeForce3 (and it > successors) and Radeon 8500 (or whatever they're calling the R200), who > wants to be stuck maintaining a driver for the r128? Not me... How about all those pe

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update toMesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
>I agree, however, it depends on your definition of "dead" and what your >goals for Linux on the desktop are. A niche market of technically-literate >users is a very different thing to widespread acceptance in the corporate >and home arenas. One important point here is the embedded market. Th

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Will Newton
On Friday 14 Sep 2001 9:25 pm, you wrote: > Is open source absolutely essential? Personally, I would rather have > binary-only drivers written by the likes of Brian, Gareth, Keith, et. > al. than binary-only drivers written by some faceless unknown. Binary only drivers, ups and downs. Ups: Th

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Frank Earl
On Friday 14 September 2001 17:06, Gareth Hughes wrote: > Some are saying that Linux on the desktop is already dead... Really? Somehow, I find that hard to believe with places like Largo, FL using it on the desktop- I'm of the belief that it's still in its infancy. Oh, congrats on scoring you

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Gareth Hughes
Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: > > I think you should point this out when you claim that ATI and Matrox's > products are obsolete. I've been saying that for a *long* time -- perhaps you missed it, or perhaps the conversations took place elsewhere. Either way, my opinion hasn't changed since joinin

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Will Newton
On Friday 14 Sep 2001 11:22 pm, you wrote: > Indeed, this is a problem... Mind you, in the days of the GeForce3 (and it > successors) and Radeon 8500 (or whatever they're calling the R200), who > wants to be stuck maintaining a driver for the r128? Not me... It's like any other open source pro

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Will Newton
On Friday 14 Sep 2001 6:58 pm, you wrote: > I think people need to take a step back and have a think about how much > money it costs to support top-class developers like those work/have worked > on the DRI. We're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Unless Definitely. I can't see t

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker
On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Gareth Hughes wrote: > Since I now work for NVIDIA, you can put their closed-source driver in this > basket (not to say the GL group here isn't totally amazing already). I think you should point this out when you claim that ATI and Matrox's products are obsolete. > > 3D is

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update toMesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
>Indeed, this is a problem... Mind you, in the days of the GeForce3 (and it >successors) and Radeon 8500 (or whatever they're calling the R200), who >wants to be stuck maintaining a driver for the r128? Not me... Yeah, I can understand... well, if you have clues about things I could look at,

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Gareth Hughes
Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > > Another point is that binary drivers like NVIDIA are x86 only, which is > a problem for me (PPC) as Apple now bundles their cards with recent > Mac G4s. > > Also, despite beeing pretty complete, the r128 driver is experiencing > all sorts of lockups (depending o

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update toMesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> >> It would be extremely unfortunate if we have to rely upon in-house >> developers writing binary-only drivers for Linux. With a company like >> NVIDIA, it really isn't that big of a deal, as they have excellent >> drivers under both Windows and Linux. But ATI and Matrox both have poor >> Wind

[Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Alex Deucher
I'd be willing to donate to support DRI development. I'd even be willing to donate a substantial amount assuming it would guarantee some results. Maybe a project like this would catch the eye of the HW vendors and prompt them to put more effort into opensource drivers. Alex - Dear

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Gareth Hughes
Mark Allan wrote: > > So do we give up on open source drivers completely? I'm willing to bet > that there is some way to generate sufficient revenue to fund the DRI. I > don't know what it is, but it would be worth throwing some ideas around > rather than throwing our hands up and saying "oh, we

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Mark Allan
Gareth Hughes wrote: > I think people need to take a step back and have a think about how much > money it costs to support top-class developers like those work/have worked > on the DRI. We're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Unless > the IHVs (or other companies) want to support

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Gareth Hughes
Andrew James Richardson wrote: > > I'm sure that everybody has their say on this but would you think of a > company set up so that people donated money in exchange of binary drivers > (source was free of course) for DRI, more like ordered donation than > business really. I for one would be

Re: [Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Andrew James Richardson
Dear Brian/Keith etc. I'm sure that everybody has their say on this but would you think of a company set up so that people donated money in exchange of binary drivers (source was free of course) for DRI, more like ordered donation than business really. I for one would be keen to donate $20

[Dri-devel] Re: Progress of mesa-3.5 tree? Update to Mesa-3.6/4.0

2001-09-14 Thread Brian Paul
Dieter Nützel wrote: > > Anybody (Brian, Keith?) working on the Mesa-3.5-tree? > I've didn't see any activity for some days/weeks, now. Here's the deal. The DRI developers, including myself, have been laid-off from VA Linux. Today (Friday) is my last day. There's an effort to relocate us to a

Re: [Dri-devel] RedHat 7.1 Install

2001-09-14 Thread Nick Hudson
9/14/2001 8:31:46 AM, Nick Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: gah, Sorry ignore this I sent the wrong email out . sorry if anyone is bothered :O) Nick >Greetings, > > I know this may sound Newbie so im sorry I tired to compile DRI on RH 7.1 >and it compiles for around 2 >hours

[Dri-devel] RedHat 7.1 Install

2001-09-14 Thread Nick Hudson
Greetings, I know this may sound Newbie so im sorry I tired to compile DRI on RH 7.1 and it compiles for around 2 hours the at the very end it says it done and the hangs I have to press ctrl+c to kill the process. I go back to look at the log file and no errors are made during t

Re: [Dri-devel] Rage 128 + bttv

2001-09-14 Thread Alan Hourihane
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 10:08:01AM +0200, Gerd Knorr wrote: > Hi, > > I've figured why the Rage 128 crashes if the bttv overlay is active (see > >http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=210239&group_id=387&atid=100387). > > Because the r128 driver does 2D acceleration using

[Dri-devel] Rage 128 + bttv

2001-09-14 Thread Gerd Knorr
Hi, I've figured why the Rage 128 crashes if the bttv overlay is active (see http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=210239&group_id=387&atid=100387). Because the r128 driver does 2D acceleration using MMIO commands, it has to shutdown the CCE every time it wants to submit a