[Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you use fast AGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread charliedelta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I also looked for a solution to the S meter calibration problem. I discussed the problem with Greg Ordy w8wwv Author of the great program called S meter light. Unfortunately the K2 does not return 8 data bits via the serial port so the calibration acc

Re: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you use fast AGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread Jack Smith
One possibility for an "add in" S-meter module would be an AD8307 log amp module paralleling the IF amplifier's input. This will give you an honest 80 to 90 dB linear output (db in, linear output), if you can manage the shielding, and close to 100 dB if you don't mind a bit of non-linearity at

[Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful

2006-10-17 Thread Mike Short
I rarely look at my S-Meter. Either I can hear them, or not. Since most signal reports have nothing in common with reality, it Just doesn't matter. Mike AI4NS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post

Re: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful

2006-10-17 Thread d.cutter
If all S meters could be referred to uV/m on an isotropic dipole there might be some meaning to the readings. It's nice for relative measurements when someone else is tuning and pruning. David G3UNA > > From: "Mike Short" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/10/17 Tue PM 12:30:10 BST > To: > S

RE: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you use fastAGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread Darwin, Keith
Boy Jack, if there was some small kit that could sample a signal in the K2 and send something out the back that could drive the LDG S-meter that would be great. It would be even greater if it could just plug into the K2 using one of the option slots. - Keith KD1E - - K2 5411 - -Original Me

[Elecraft] 80 m CW and Digital Operation

2006-10-17 Thread J F
I'm not sure how crowded the 75/80M SSB band is at any given time. I can speak on contest conditions on 80 CW. Basically you have 3 major DX contests that will pack 80 CW: ARRL DX, CQ WW DX, CQ WPX (ARRL SS also packs the band on this side of the pond). DX is all over the lower 100 khz of 80, so th

[Elecraft] (Elecraft) Slow AGC

2006-10-17 Thread Robert C. Abell
Kurt, Make that three of us who operate SSB! I find the K2 to be excellent on SSB mode, for ragchewing and DX hunting. I almost never operate CW any more due to medical problems. 73, Bob VE3XM K2 S/N 04575 K2/100 S/N 04031 ___ Elecraft mailing li

Re: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you use fast AGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread Rick Dettinger
> Maybe Elecraft would consider this as a future external option for > the K2 . It certainly would be a first for a ham radio, that is > having a inbuilt calibrated S meter. The crunched up S meter > bargraph is highly annoying and close to useless on the k2. > > Craig > VK3HE ==

RE: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you use fastAGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread Darwin, Keith
Hmm, using the full bar graph to show S1 to S9? Not a bad idea. I may do that once I get the 41 step attenuator. All this AGC talk makes me think TenTec's hang AGC should have been the ideal. In effect it would turn the RF Gain down when a big signal came in and keep it down until the signal w

[Elecraft] Jamboree on the Air(JOTA)

2006-10-17 Thread Richard Kent
FYI, This weekend is the annual Scouting/Amateur radio event known as Jamboree on the Air (JOTA). This is an international event. Scouts both boys and girls will be trying radio for the first time. All modes are available for use but phone is the most popular. Here is a list of sugges

Re: [Elecraft] 80 m CW and Digital Operation

2006-10-17 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Oct 17, 2006, at 5:39 AM, J F wrote: As to the increase in power on the WARC bands, I think it is a mistake. 30 and 17 (12 is quiet most of the time now) are almost as level a playing field as one can find. Even the folks with a modest station have a shot at rare DX. I guess I still like sk

RE: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you usefastAGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Keith wrote: All this AGC talk makes me think TenTec's hang AGC should have been the ideal. In effect it would turn the RF Gain down when a big signal came in and keep it down until the signal went away, then would turn it back up rather quickly. But for some reason it just never caught on. May

RE: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful

2006-10-17 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Rick K7MW wrote: As for not having an S meter with the AGC turned off, I have found that setting the AF gain to a given position, like mid scale, and using the RF gain to control AF output, the position of the RF gain control gives me a good enough idea of signal strength to give a meaningfull re

Re: [Elecraft] Slow AGC

2006-10-17 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
So I had better own up to working SSB most of the time :) 73, Geoff GM4ESD - Original Message - From: "Kurt Cramer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Slow AGC For the two of us on this list that operate SSB most of the time SLOW AGC

Re: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you use fastAGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Ron, AC7AC wrote: That's the difference between one who tinkers and an engineer . --- I had never thought that there was any difference. 'Develop' is a posh word for 'Tinker' is it not? An AGC controlled IF which provides driv

RE: [Elecraft] Tinkerers and Engineers!

2006-10-17 Thread Don Wilhelm
> Ron, AC7AC wrote: > > > That's the difference between one who tinkers and an engineer . > > > --- Have never heard an answer to that one, but it is said that the difference between an amateur (not necessarily 'ham') and a professio

Re: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you use fastAGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread Karl Larsen
Darwin, Keith wrote: Hmm, using the full bar graph to show S1 to S9? Not a bad idea. I may do that once I get the 41 step attenuator. All this AGC talk makes me think TenTec's hang AGC should have been the ideal. In effect it would turn the RF Gain down when a big signal came in and keep it

RE: [Elecraft] Tinkerers and Engineers!

2006-10-17 Thread Stephen W. Kercel
At 02:33 PM 10/17/2006, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Ron, AC7AC wrote: > > > That's the difference between one who tinkers and an engineer . > > > --- Have never heard an answer to that one, but it is said that the difference between an am

[Elecraft] Limiting Instead of AGC...(WAS: When S-Meters are Useful)

2006-10-17 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Karl, K5DI, wrote: The winning setup there is one where you attenuate the strong station and still hear the weak guy nearby. This you can do with no AGC and a deft hand on the RF gain. If your filter is the right type then you can hear the weak ones. - I sure ag

Re: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you usefastAGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread Bill W5WVO
Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote: > Ron, AC7AC wrote: > >> That's the difference between one who tinkers and an engineer . >> > --- > > I had never thought that there was any difference. 'Develop' is a > posh word for 'Tinker' is it no

Re: [Elecraft] Tinkerers and Engineers!

2006-10-17 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 10/17/06 3:00:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The Ark was built by amateurs and the Titanic was built by professionals. > Don't blame the builders for mistakes made by the operators. 73 de Jim, N2EY ___ Ele

Re: [Elecraft] 80 m CW and Digital Operation

2006-10-17 Thread Sandy W5TVW
If the latest FCC FPRM holds with no changes, I think the 80 meter people will be in trouble. So far on 80, we haven't had much of a "digital vs. CW" conflict. Most digital ops are above 3600 and most CW ops below 3600 generally speaking. The RTTY people seem to operate the entire CW sub-band d

RE: [Elecraft] When S-Meters are Useful (WAS: When do you usefastAGC?)

2006-10-17 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Depends on what kind of an engineer you are. :-) I've always been the tinkering kind, myself, but mostly because I'm not smart enough to be the other kind... I worked for a guy way back in the 1970s (pre-PC days) who would sit down at a nice clean desk with his HP calculator and an engineering p

Re: [Elecraft] 80 m CW and Digital Operation

2006-10-17 Thread Michael E. Dobson
Several comments: This is not an FCC proposal but a Report & Order, the changes spelled out are the new regulations 30 days after publication in the Federal Register, there is no chance for change at this point. RTTY generally starts at 3585, I participate in an RTTY net that has met on 3586

Re: [Elecraft] 80 m CW and Digital Operation

2006-10-17 Thread J F
Sandy, I guess I need to listen above 3600 more. I know 20M can be quite a challenge duringb the DX contests when CW spread 125 khz and everyone is looking for space in the digital/RTTY area. There's grumblin' but everyone seems to make it thru 48 hours of insanity. Maybe 3600 to 3700 should be

Re: [Elecraft] 80 m CW and Digital Operation

2006-10-17 Thread Fred Jensen
Sandy W5TVW wrote: > Some segregation is almost demanded if the CW/digital operations > are combined in a 100 khz. sub-band, no matter where it happens > to be. This is created by the fact neither mode "user", in many > instances, is able to 'decode' the other's emission. True, but I'm somewhat

[Elecraft] New KPA100 Rev.

2006-10-17 Thread Ron Willcocks
Hi I have just finished making a K2/100 for a friend here, and I notice that the KPA100 is now up to REV D-1 ( Sept 28 2006) and has a quite few changes in it. Amongst them is the addition of two new toroidal RF chokes that are filled with #26 wire and because they are so full, the mountin

[Elecraft] Here's an Old-Timer who knows how to use AGC!

2006-10-17 Thread Ken Kopp
Most new radios have this feature Jeff. Back when there was just Fast AGC or No AGC we used AGC on AM phone and No AGC on CW. This was back in the 1950's when you had a transmitter in one box, and a receiver bought seperate, or once in my life built for myself. Today because I'm very old I d

Re: [Elecraft] Tinkerers and Engineers!

2006-10-17 Thread Stephen W. Kercel
Jim: Good point. The Ark was operated by amateurs and the Titanic was operated by professionals. Steve AA4AK At 07:15 PM 10/17/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/17/06 3:00:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Th

[Elecraft] HMM-iC

2006-10-17 Thread rlk
Hi, I am trying to contact a fellow ham that wanted my Heil HMM-iC. I moved and lost his callsign and email. I have the microphone and if you still want it give me an email. Bob W7WO (formerly K7RLK) Sorry about my carelessness. ___ Elecraft maili

Re: [Elecraft] 80 m CW and Digital Operation

2006-10-17 Thread Sandy W5TVW
Firstly, I want to state I do not imply that the RTTY bunch has run away with 40 meters. All in all, they have, along with the other digital modes, pretty much stayed within the "sub band"/band plan "Gentlemen's Agreement" for the appropriate emissions except for contest time when almost everyone