No, but it will come with a wrist strap mount for the K3. At only 8
pounds, wrist-mounting of the rig won't kill you (like our 55-pound
competitors), but it'll still give you a great upper-body workout :)
Wayne
Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:
Will the fuel cell option come with the
Better buy two of them, Leigh - make sure you get a properly balanced
workout!!
Mike Cizek W3MC
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Darn it!
Now I gotta get one.
This is going to be costly.
First the K3 and then the divorce lawyer :O)
Thanks alot Elecraft
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Greetings!
This afternoon at the DX Convention in Visalia, CA, we unveiled a new
top-of-the-line transceiver -- the Elecraft K3. This is the culmination
of three years of design, test, and refinement, and we believe the K3
will set a new standard for performance and value in its class. It has
The K3 is a modern, high-performance radio with many features never
seen in this size or price class. Of necessity, about 60% of the
components are surface mount (SMD).
In order to ensure consistency in performance at this level of
integration, we must 100% test all of these surface-mount
Hi all,
As you can imagine, we'll be very busy at the Hamvention, thanks in
part to the K3. Please let us know if you might be able to help for an
hour or two at our booth, and on which day. In exchange, you'll get
hands-on K3 training, an emailed copy of the draft operating manual,
and free
WOW! I knew this was a good night to stay up late.
Wayne, it looks beautiful. Looks like I'll have to have one!
73,
Tony W7GO
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Looks nice. My order is on your fax machine.
Craig
NZ0R
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Subject: [Elecraft] Announcing the Elecraft
Tony Morgan wrote:
WOW! I knew this was a good night to stay up late.
For me, too!
it looks beautiful.
Thanks, Tony. Believe it or not, we iterated the concept drawing some
200 times before starting the project. Too many chefs :)
73,
Wayne
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Very, very, very cool
To all at Elecraft and relevant designers/beta testers, etc.: GREAT
JOB DONE !!
Your contribution to our hobby in terms of building enjoyment as well as
delivering superb qualityservice has been outstanding.
'73 Mark, PA5MW (PI4TUE)
Hallo Wayne et al,
WOW! Congrats on what looks like a very nice radio!
Before I start doing stupid things like filling out order forms and
the like:
1) Do any of the options conflict with each other, i.e. if A is
installed, then B can not be?
2) If the KRX3 is installed one would need two
Hi, all Elecrafters
Quite a nice and agreable surprise this morning after learning the birth of
K3!!
I will just have to get one, but it will not be before the end of the year,
so I will wait!
Felicitation to all the Elecraft team, Wayne, Eric and all other
Robert, F5UL
Toby Deinhardt wrote:
1) Do any of the options conflict with each other, i.e. if A is
installed, then B can not be?
No, except that you're limited to 5 crystal roofing filters per
receiver.
2) If the KRX3 is installed one would need two of the KFL3A-200,
KFL3A-250, KFL3A-400,
Hi Wayne,
Well done. I can now have a rig some how serviceable by myself.
I am interested in this new K3. I am going to fax you my order form right the
way.
73
Johnny Siu VR2XMC
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On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 01:48 -0700, wayne burdick wrote:
3) If one installs the KBPF3, what impact does this have on the ham
band front filters?
None whatsoever. The KBPF3's filters are switched in only when needed,
and added strays are completely negligible. The KBPF3 mounts just above
Wayne,
Looking at the available information am I right in thinking that by adding a
sub-receiver I can use a common antenna for 15 and 10m and get separate
audio via the rear stereo connector? This would be wonderful for digital
modes as I could monitor two bands simultaneously. Obviously the
Hi
XYL said ' at least that will keep you quiet for a few hours'!
73 Bob G3PJT
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Ulf, DK5TX, asked on the Bavarian Contest Club reflector:
hat das ding schon eine CE kennzeichnung?!
sonst rückt der zoll in DL das im zweifelsfall nicht raus!
He wants to know if the K3 has or will have a CE sticker. Otherwise he
is worried that customs hier in Germany might not let the K3
Hi Wayne,
'tis I, again:
variable passband models that closely track DSP I.F. and A.F.
filtering
Is this with the 5 or the 8 pole filters? Or is this a tba?
Down-conversion architecture with narrow ham-band filtering for
superior close-in dynamic range
Down to what? 5MHz, 455kHz ...
Hello,
I will be checking 15 meters on the hour instead of the 3/4 hour.
I will check 15 meters at the 3/4 hour (45 minutes after the hour) and
call CQ for 15 minutes. The band seems to be open so I hope to work a
couple of fellow QRP'ers on the band
72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
Would love to see the innards...
John Harper AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com
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I was just about ready to plop down a few kilobucks for either
a Orion II or a Icom ProIII. Now all that is on hold
The K3 looks fantastic - nice job Elecraft. Now let's see some
performance numbers - maybe even better than a K2
That would rock!
73's de Ken KG0WX - Kadiddlehopper
Hi Wayne,
YAQ: What are the phase noise figures like? Does the 1 PPM TCXO option
improve them, and if so by how much?
vy 73 de toby
PS: A FAQ on the website, like this one
http://kb.flex-radio.com/article.aspx?id=10374, might be a good
idea.
Wayne:
This looks beautiful. Does the firmware download facility work
with all platforms (Mac as well)? or is it only for Windows-based
things?
thanks,
dave belsley, w1euy
On Apr 28, 2007, at 2:23 AM, wayne burdick wrote:
Greetings!
This afternoon at the DX Convention in Visalia,
Toby,
Lyle here stepping in while Wayne gets a little well-deserved shut-eye.
variable passband models that closely track DSP I.F. and A.F. filtering
Is this with the 5 or the 8 pole filters? Or is this a tba?
Mot yet completely finalized.
Down-conversion architecture with narrow
Hello Simon!
Looking at the available information am I right in thinking that by
adding a sub-receiver I can use a common antenna for 15 and 10m and get
separate audio via the rear stereo connector?
You can have the subreceiver listen on the same antenna as the main
receiver, or an a
Hi guys,
Greetings from the Visalia DX convention! I just got up (yawn) and wow!,
a lot of K3 postings to the list. My voice is almost gone from all the
K3 questions I answered yesterday at the booth - and I still have all
day today to go! ;-)
I just noticed that there is a minor error on
3) If one installs the KBPF3, what impact does this have on the ham
band front filters?
None whatsoever. The KBPF3's filters are switched in only when needed,
and added strays are completely negligible. The KBPF3 mounts just above
the main band-pass filter array.
Do the KBPF3's count as one
Wow! I just ordered my K2 a few days ago! I should have waited!!!
That's ok. I'll cut my teeth on the K2 and then maybe I'll look at
getting the new K3. By then, all the bugs should be worked out. So,
get to work guys, I'll be waiting! :-)
If the K3 is anything like the K2, and there's
I see there is an IF output (2nd IF I assume).
It is 1st IF, centered at 8.215 MHz.
What are the IF frequencies?
8.215 MHz, 15 kHz.
Does the IF output follow rcvr selection?
It is main Rx.
If I connect it
to my Z90 Panadapter, can I totally disable the roofing filters or does
it
The K3's subreceiver with main receiver type performance is exciting
news. I've been looking at the front panel and spec sheet trying to
discern whether the K3 will be capable of stereo diversity reception
and it's not readily apparent.
Can ANT1/2/RXANT be individually routed to each receiver?
OK, I get it now. I assume the IF frequency sense is inverted on one
side of 8215 KHz then, but will await your response to K8ZOA's question
on that one.
73,
Larry N8LP
Lyle Johnson wrote:
I see there is an IF output (2nd IF I assume).
It is 1st IF, centered at 8.215 MHz.
What are the
Few questions related to the new panadapter kit I'm working on:
1. What is the IF frequency at the K3's IF output port?
8.215 MHz
2. Is the K3's IF output port wideband (ahead of the roofing filter) or
narrowband?
Wideband.
3. Is the IF frequency sense inverted on some bands, as is the
Thanks, Lyle. What, then, is the firmware upgrade method if one
doesn't have a windows thing?
thanks,
dave
On Apr 28, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
This looks beautiful. Does the firmware download facility work
with all platforms (Mac as well)? or is it only for Windows-based
Does the IF output follow rcvr selection?
It is main Rx.
Error on my part. It is main Rx *or* Sub Rx. At *present* there is no
provision to select between these choices.
Also, the IF output has a separate JFET buffer tapped after the Mixer IF
buffer (and before the noise blanker) to help
Thanks. No problem working with those specifications.
Jack
Lyle Johnson wrote:
Few questions related to the new panadapter kit I'm working on:
1. What is the IF frequency at the K3's IF output port?
8.215 MHz
2. Is the K3's IF output port wideband (ahead of the roofing filter)
or
The K3's subreceiver with main receiver type performance is exciting
news. I've been looking at the front panel and spec sheet trying to
discern whether the K3 will be capable of stereo diversity reception
and it's not readily apparent.
Can ANT1/2/RXANT be individually routed to each receiver?
Before I say anything else:
WOW!
In a message dated 4/28/07 9:27:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps the modular approach taken by Elecraft in the
K3 is the way to go.
Of course. I suspect that one of the servicing options of the K3 will be to
send
Hello Dave!
Thanks, Lyle. What, then, is the firmware upgrade method if one doesn't
have a windows thing?
I see two choices:
(a) run windows anyway (late model Macs can do this, and x86-based
Wintel computers can usually bhe set up to boot a Windows partition).
(b) wait until the app is
From what I've seen of the K3, it is truly an impressive rig! But I
think I am going to stick with my plans to build a K2 this summer.
Having built the K1, I think I am hooked on the full-blown kit-
building experience.
So with that said, what is the future of the K2 (and K1)? How long
Hello Lyle - here are a few more questions:
1. How does receive performance compare to the K-2; is the raw performance
much better, or are there just more features and flexibility?
2. You said RF Gain is seperate for main sub rcvr? There are 2 AF Gain
controls but only one RF - how does
Lyle, Amidst all the technical questions:
What all in the way of filters would you suggest would be necessary for a K3
set up primarily for DXing? As far as roofing filters are concerned, the next
closest DXer to my qth is probably in the neighborhood of 100 miles, so no
close by strong
Lyle, Amidst all the technical questions:
What all in the way of filters would you suggest would be necessary for a K3 set up primarily for DXing? As far as roofing filters are concerned, the next closest DXer to my qth is probably in the neighborhood of 100 miles, so no close by strong
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Simon 'I do not need another radio ever' HB9DRV
Sure you do! You just didn't know it until today :-)
Assuming I do need another radio, would you be shipping by Q3 or Q4?
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
Assuming I do need another radio, would you be shipping by Q3 or Q4?
Wayne wrote:
As explained on the order form, you can reserve a K3 now for initial
shipments in July. A 50% deposit is requested if you'd like to secure
one of the first 200 production units (serial numbers 20-220,
So with that said, what is the future of the K2 (and K1)? How long will
they continue to be offered and supported?
The K3 does not replace any radio in our current product line; it
complements them. I know of no plans to discontinue any Elecraft
transceiver!
73,
Lyle KK7P
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As explained on the order form, you can reserve a K3 now for initial
shipments in July. A 50% deposit is requested if you'd like to secure
one of the first 200 production units (serial numbers 20-220,
probably).
Ah -
Wonderful news! Been looking forward to this since a we can neither confirm
or deny... discussion with Elecraft at Dayton years ago in regards to a
future K3 - or was it going to be called the Everest? Now we know. I was
looking forward to solder fumes but this is still very exciting and can't
I hope there's an easy way to have the keyboard
implement multiple band stacking registers.
It's on my list of nearly must have features.
NOW I have a good reason to go ... See y'all at
Dayton.
/steve KZ1X
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I suggest a 400 Hz or 500 Hz CW filter if you are likely to get into
a situation where there are a LOT of really strong signals nearby,
for CW/Data mode work.
I've not ordered any extra filters (yet) for SSB/CW because I am
waiting to see what the differences, apart from poles and bandwidth,
Hello Mike!
1. How does receive performance compare to the K-2; is the raw
performance much better, or are there just more features and flexibility?
Better :-)
2. You said RF Gain is seperate for main sub rcvr? There are 2 AF
Gain controls but only one RF - how does this work?
With
Simon 'I do not need another radio ever' HB9DRV
Sure you do! You just didn't know it until today :-)
Assuming I do need another radio, would you be shipping by Q3 or Q4?
July is the expected month for initial shipments.
73,
Lyle KK7P
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discussing the relative merits of the Drake NoiseBlankers versus the K2 NB.
There have also been discussions relative to passband tuning.
I'd be very intetested in your comments on the above, and would be more than
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July is the expected month for initial shipments.
This is like offering a nice juicy bone to a dog who's been living off
cornflakes for the last 3 years.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
Hi,
4. Is TX general coverage or ham bands only? I'm a Navy MARS op.
Tx can go outside the ham bands, but is locked out in firmware.
MARS operation will be possible, however.
I've playing with the idea of using 35 to 45MHz as an IF for
transverters, e.g. for full coverage of the
Lyle,
thanks for taking the time out with all the interesting answers to fb
questions. Many of the questions I had have pretty much been covered. One is
itching me. Is the K3 Main VFO Knob better than the K2's? :)
Thanks
john-n4dsp
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Figured we'd hear from you :)
Jack Smith wrote:
Few questions related to the new panadapter kit I'm working on:
1. What is the IF frequency at the K3's IF output port?
8.215 MHz.
2. Is the K3's IF output port wideband (ahead of the roofing filter)
or narrowband?
Wideband.
Hello John!
An Achilles heel of some SDR's been software longevity and stability,
with some folks driven away from otherwise excellent radios due to
system crashes and other quirks. Since at least one (think
domestic)manufacturer has had significant user issues with their SDR, it
would be
n4dsp wrote:
One is itching me. Is the K3 Main VFO Knob better than the K2's? :)
I'm not a member of the 'design team', but having seen the radio and
touched the knob, I feel that I am competent to answer this question:
*YES!*
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Fresno CA
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Ode to the K2
Oh sweet little radio, how fun youve been to me
Toiling for hours working like a bee
Winding toriods and tinning the ends
Working for hours and days
making all those friends
Oh K2 how could it be that you have spawned an offspring with glee
K2, Oh K2, youve
I see that the back panel of the K3 has a 15 pin ACC jack. It looks like
a video connector for a computer monitor? Is this what it is to be used
for? Or is it more like the acc jacks on the back of my Yaesu which contain
digital data, band data, FSK functions, 12v power, PTT, etc.?
I'm drooling
I don't seem to be able to get to the main announcement page. I'd like
to know the cost range planned for the K3. [How about we let the
Elecraft folks answer me to keep the reflector BW down :-) ]
73,
Fred K6DGW
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...Is the K3 Main VFO Knob better than the K2's? :)
I think so, and also lots better than the FT-100 knob on a K2!
john-n4dsp
I like that call, John!
73,
Lyle KK7P
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I see that the back panel of the K3 has a 15 pin ACC jack. It looks like
a video connector for a computer monitor?
Same connector type, but not for video.
Is this what it is to be used for? Or is it more like the acc
jacks on the back of my Yaesu
Yes.
which contain digital data, band
Sorry if I missed this in the published specs, but
will the K3 have a bandscan display feature (via a
connected PC)? Trying to figure out differences in
some of the bells and whistles (vice raw performance,
where I expect the K3 will best the competition) to
between the new K3 and, say, an Icom
k2 with everything. email me and lets negotiate
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On Apr 28, 2007, at 7:17 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
Hello Dave!
Thanks, Lyle. What, then, is the firmware upgrade method if one
doesn't have a windows thing?
I see two choices:
(a) run windows anyway (late model Macs can do this, and x86-based
Wintel computers can usually bhe set up to
Where are the pictures for the k3?
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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 11:31 AM
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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Announcing the Elecraft K3 Transceiver: 10/100W,
Thanks Wayne! This is the K2+ with subreceiver I was describing as the
ultimate Elecraft during our stints at Seaside a few years ago. Thanks for
listening to the crowd on this one.
Gary/W0GX
(ex NQ7T at Seaside)
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The K3's VFO A knob is custom machined from aluminum. It's much larger
than the K2's VFO knob, and includes a rubber ring and tuning dimple.
The K3 also has a VFO B knob. It's smaller than the VFO A knob and has
a plastic shell, but it is internally brass-weighted so it, too, will
spin. In
I'll ask for all of us who have K2's and want to at least sniff the wine
...
What is/are the cost/s and part #'s for the two K3 tunng knobs?
Since the K3's tuning knobs are differnet sizes, which is the logical
replacement for the K2's knob?
I was gonna call Yaesu Monday, BTW.
73! Ken Kopp -
Looking at the K3 backside, an DB9 serial connector. Was thought given
to USB and/or Ethernet?
Jozef WB2MIC
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Wow! that is another first in the Ham Radio industry. It looks like
those are powerpole style DC connectors on the back. Very cool!
Great design choice.
de ken n9vv
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Where are the pictures for the k3?
URL:http://www.elecraft.com/K3/
73,
Lyle KK7P
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Sorry if I missed this in the published specs, but
will the K3 have a bandscan display feature (via a
connected PC)?
Not directly.
There is a buffered IF output before the roofing filter, and one could
attach an external panadaptor like the Clifton Z90 or Z91. Or attach a
$20 softrock
Wow! that is another first in the Ham Radio industry. It looks like
those are powerpole style DC connectors on the back. Very cool! Great
design choice.
Thanks. Yes they not only look like powerpoles, they feel, smell and
act like 'em too!
I plug in my power-pole-fitted shack DC supply
Looking at the K3 backside, an DB9 serial connector. Was thought given
to USB and/or Ethernet?
Indeed it was. By using RS232, we allow older computers to connect with
a simple cable, and USB-equipped computers to connect using a cable with
some electronics in it.
I successfully operate and
What maximum speed does the RS232 interface support?
FWIW I totally support use of RS232, it's the most flexible solution.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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Indeed it was. By using RS232, we allow older computers to connect with
a simple
Hello Bill!
Is there an output available from the K3 that can be used to control an
external device as band changes are made?
Yes, the ACC connector provides band data output. It is intended to
drive Elecraft as well as third-party devices such as amplifiers,
filters and the like.
73,
What maximum speed does the RS232 interface support?
38k4 is what we use for firmware downloads, and is the current maximum
port speed supported.
73,
Lyle KK7P
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Dave,
I fully understand your concerns here. This is an issue we had planned
to address anyway.
The K3 has software-defined features in the sense that the DSP is
very easily upgradeable (one-click PC application), and powerful, and
can handle future operating modes or signal processing
I haven't tried putting a K3 VFO A knob on a K2. It's quite a bit
larger, which means it would overlap the LCD's bottom edge, and would
likely interfere with the knobs at the left.
The K3's VFO B knob is smaller than the K2's present VFO A knob.
Now, all that said, we should be able to design
I hate to add to the bombardment of emails you must be getting relative
to the K3 but can I assume it will be considered as a base station unit
rather than a field unit due to current draw??
We kept the K3 physically small make it very portable, especially when
you compare it to other
Thanks, a big improvement on the K2's 4800.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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What maximum speed does the RS232 interface support?
38k4 is what we use for firmware downloads, and is the current maximum
port speed supported.
The first of many!!
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:48:41 -0500
k2 with everything. email me and lets negotiate
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Will the K3 be capable of operation on MARS frequencies? It appears with the
TXCO it would be ideal, if it will transmit outside Ham Bands.
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On the topic of K3 firmware upgrading:
On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 08:51 -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote:
Wine, Win4Lin or VMware on Linux.
Or Parallels, VirtualBox (my favourite), QEMU, or Bochs. All of these
except Parallels are free.
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Wayne or Lyle - whichever one of you is awake after the flood of emails
you have been working through -
Will the new K3 be able to TX on the Alaska emergency frequency of
5167.5 kHz? This is close to the 60 meter band, but not a ham band
frequency. This channel is authorized to hams in or
Note that the K3 as displayed has NO provision for an internal battery.
OTOH, there's enough empty space in a barebones model to fashion a new
top cover with a battery holder.
And I note that apparently credit can be given for the basic 2.7k 5
pole roofing filter if you want to replace it with
Thanks, a big improvement on the K2's 4800.
You can set it for 4800 if you prefer ;-)
73,
Lyle KK7P
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Hello Jim!
Will the new K3 be able to TX on the Alaska emergency frequency of
5167.5 kHz? This is close to the 60 meter band, but not a ham band
frequency. This channel is authorized to hams in or near Alaska for use
during emergencies, and contacts between hams and non-hams (for
example,
This is possible, but I'm not sure about how we'll enable the feature.
More on this later.
Wayne
N6KR
On Apr 28, 2007, at 9:58 AM, W2AGN wrote:
Will the K3 be capable of operation on MARS frequencies? It appears
with the TXCO it would be ideal, if it will transmit outside Ham
Bands.
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Toby;
The phase noise of the K3 is significantly less than the K2. One of our
main design goals was to improve the local oscillator design of the K3
without adding significant cost to the radio. After much design work and
experimental tests, we were able to find a unique design that did
If I may dare to make a suggestion. There are going to be a LOT of questions.
May I suggest a 'K3 FAQ on the web page with the most Frequently Asked
(hence, FAQ ;-) on it? Save answering the same one here several times.
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Dear OMs/YLs:
I thought you might be interested in my spatial CW reception project. See:
http://www.metaphoria.us/hamradio/ham_radio.htm
It's the second link down.
Jozef WB2MIC
Jim Wiley wrote:
Wayne or Lyle - whichever one of you is awake after the flood of
emails you have been working
Hi Doug,
Doug Faunt wrote:
Note that the K3 as displayed has NO provision for an internal battery.
OTOH, there's enough empty space in a barebones model to fashion a new
top cover with a battery holder.
It would take a pretty serious battery to power the K3, given a typical
minimum RX-mode
This is in the works. Stay tuned.
Wayne
On Apr 28, 2007, at 10:29 AM, W2AGN wrote:
If I may dare to make a suggestion. There are going to be a LOT of
questions. May I suggest a 'K3 FAQ on the web page with the most
Frequently Asked (hence, FAQ ;-) on it? Save answering the same one
here
Toby;
Wayne will have to answer whether Elecraft will be doing the work required
to apply a CE mark. I am not sure it is required since the K3 is powered
off of 12 volts. The K3 will meet all RoHS requirements.
-John
KI6WX
He wants to know if the K3 has or will have a CE sticker. Otherwise
Will the fuel cell option come with the hovercraft-mobile mounting kit?
I am pretty sure that was promised in the Popular Mechanics article,
too.
73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:34 am, wayne burdick wrote:
I'm hoping to offer an enclosed [safe!] fuel cell as an internal
option
Ah yes, like this HP Atomic Wristwatch:
http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/
73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU (who is just harassing you because he can't get to the
order form from his cell phone)
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:10 am, wayne burdick wrote:
No, but it will come with a wrist strap mount for the
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