Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-24 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:31:35 -0700, Dave Hachadorian wrote: Other el cheapo computer mics sound great too. Yes. Before I left Chicago about 5 years ago, I bought five assorted Plantronics headsets in different configurations. I suspect they were someone's free samples. I think I paid a total

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-24 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:49:01 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Are any of you guys driving your K3 with W2IHY or other audio rack gear? Why bother? The K3 already provides all of the capability of the W2IHY 8 band EQ/noise gate, adds downward expansion in the noise gate and there is no issue

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-24 Thread Jim Brown
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:16:38 +0200, Laurent HAAS - F6FVY wrote: We spent time on various available settings (mic gain, compressor level, etc), with no luck, excepted a very distorted and awful audio to roughly reach the same level, which is not acceptable. Hi Guys, I regularly get reports

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-24 Thread Roger Dallimore
I've just bought a cheap headset with microphone and it works very well with my K3 and K2. For those in the UK, I got it from Maplin, order code KX43W for £9.99. 73 Roger MW0IDX K3 #191 K2 #2724 KX1 #416 Jim Brown wrote: On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:31:35 -0700, Dave Hachadorian wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
As others noted, the audio equalizer in the K3 allows almost infinite tweaking of the audio response to fit anyone's preferences. An excellent starting point is the response curve of the famous Astatic D-104: http://www.bellscb.com/products/microphones/astatic/base_mics/ASTATIC_D104_S pecs.html

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Stephen Prior
I use the Heil MD2 microphone which has an electret element. I have both compression and mic gain set to 25, and mic set to front panel low with bias. I have far more 'talk power' than I have enjoyed with any previous radio. 73 Stephen G4SJP On 20/08/2010 04:24, Joseph Trombino, Jr

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread dj7mgq
I use a small plane / helicopter pilot's headset and my settings are similar: - bias on - low - mic gain ca. 10 - compression between 20 and 25 - reduced bass with the tx equalizer (my voice is very deep) The lack of SSB-Umph was solved a long time ago, and that BCC report we wrote way back

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Tom W8JI
**Without using enough compression** (CMP), a lack of SSB average power level occurs because the ALC does not act the same in the SSB mode as it does in other radios. This makes the audio sound thinner or less powerful because there is less very short term (fast speed) compression to level

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Bill W4ZV
Laurent HAAS - F6FVY wrote: After using mostly these rigs for SSB contesting in FY5KE or in other places, we are still facing a lack of dynamics, punch, penetration, power, whatever you call it. In other words, when comparing this rig to our radios we previously used (TS-850), with the

[Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
From one contester to another It is my experience that it takes more set up to get your transmitted audio to sound more like the Kenwood of old (nothing ever came close to the Signal/One transmitted audio). I got on a dead band with a local who has known me for decades and we played with the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
I have not looked at waveforms on a scope, but this is what the 4391 Power Analyst says. It would be interesting to look at some speech patterns, but I have no idea what a good reference input would be or how to accomplish that. The above is with my voice and saying hello test one two three

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread k2qi . nyc
...@mailman.qth.net Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:46:05 To: Elecraft Reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation From one contester to another It is my experience that it takes more set up to get your transmitted audio to sound more like the Kenwood of old (nothing ever

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread k2qi . nyc
@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation I use the Heil MD2 microphone which has an electret element. I have both compression and mic gain set to 25, and mic set to front panel low with bias. I have far more 'talk power' than I have enjoyed with any previous radio. 73 Stephen G4SJP

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Philippe Trottet
or 20 and I get excellent audio reports. James K2QI Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Stephen Prior s...@sjprior.fsnet.co.uk Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:21:00 To: elecraftelecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Tim Tucker
- From: Stephen Prior s...@sjprior.fsnet.co.uk Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:21:00 To: elecraftelecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation I use the Heil MD2 microphone which has an electret element. I have both compression

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread John Fritze
Of course you have to use compression to get any kind of decent punch in your output. But I thought this would be obvious to anybody doing contesting. AB2TC - Knut GEE. Here all these years I thought in a contest I was supposed to crank the compression to max, and use a SURE

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Lance Collister, W7GJ
Hello Tim, I use the Heil Pro-set K2 with the IC mic into a W2IHY Equalizer and Noise Gate. I set the W2IHY for bias and the K3 for no bias. I use this because (at least initially) the K3 noise gate caused audio distortion and I was getting bad audio reports. With the current setup I get

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
To: elecraftelecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation I use the Heil MD2 microphone which has an electret element. I have both compression and mic gain set to 25, and mic set to front panel low with bias. I have far more 'talk power' than I have enjoyed with any previous radio. 73

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Arthur Nienhouse
Are any of you guys driving your K3 with W2IHY or other audio rack gear? I use my w2ihy box for two reasons 1) I think the noise gate is better than the K3's built in gate. 2) Because I already had it I can have two radios connected to my ATR 30 I find no reason to ever purchase another Heil

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-20 Thread Dave Hachadorian
I am amazed at how good the K3 sounds with a cheap electret computer mic. Here's the one I'm using: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826193029cm_re=headset-_-26-193-029-_-Product Other el cheapo computer mics sound great too. My settings: RPL, bias mic 30 cmp 22 tx eq -16,

[Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-19 Thread Laurent HAAS - F6FVY
Hi We are the proud owners of 6 K3/100 used at the FY5KE contest station. These radios has been delivered around mid-2008 and their serial numbers are in the 012xx range. After using mostly these rigs for SSB contesting in FY5KE or in other places, we are still facing a lack of dynamics,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-19 Thread ab2tc
What is your compression level set at? I have mine set at 20 and I have 100% more talk power as indicated by an average indicating analog power/SWR meter than my two ICOM transceivers. I am also finding that with the K3 I am exceptionally successful in pileups in spite of my 100W and a dipole.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-19 Thread ab2tc
BTW, the recommended Heil element for the K3 is the IC electret element. This is what I am using with my proset. I am very surprised about the lack of punch you experience with the K3 transmitter. AB2TC - Knut Laurent HAAS - F6FVY wrote: Hi We are the proud owners of 6 K3/100 used at

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-19 Thread Jim Cox
and a higher output electret mike, everyone says I need more audio especially if the band is noisy. Jim K4JAF - Original Message - From: ab2tc ab...@arrl.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation What is your

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-19 Thread Jim Cox
@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation BTW, the recommended Heil element for the K3 is the IC electret element. This is what I am using with my proset. I am very surprised about the lack of punch you experience with the K3 transmitter

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-19 Thread Don Wilhelm
Larry, I would suggest setting the lowest three bands of the TX EQ to lower settings to reduce the bass response from the SSB RF. Those low frequencies take a lot of RF energy, but do not add to intelligibility. In other words, they aid in recognition of the voice,, but do not add any punch.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-19 Thread ab2tc
Of course you have to use compression to get any kind of decent punch in your output. But I thought this would be obvious to anybody doing contesting. AB2TC - Knut Jim Cox wrote: I use the Heil ICM which has the electret element but still have to use a good bit of compression or the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-19 Thread K3RWN
Take a look at the Heil website. All (most) Heil mics/headsets work best with a lot of gain and compression, at least more than you would probably use with stock mics. My compression is 25 and gain is 50. I receive many comments regarding the quality of the audio. Good Comments (LOL) Good Luck

Re: [Elecraft] K3 : SSB modulation

2010-08-19 Thread Joseph Trombino, Jr
Take a look at MAIN menu option MIC SELbelieve you need to select HI mic gain range by tapping 1 to toggle between LO and HI mic gain. When I used a Heil HC4 element on my K3 I needed to use the HI mic gain setting to get good audio out with good RF output.give it a try. The Heil HC4