[Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2008-05-12 Thread Roy Morris
The K3 uses the NORMAL setting in CONFIG: SMTR MD as the default. Apparently the PRE/ATT settings are injected before the S-meter circuit in this mode. This means the S-meter reading increases with pre-amplification and decreases with antenuation. In the ABSOLUTE mode the PRE/ATT settings are

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2008-02-01 Thread Don Rasmussen
I have never given an S-meter reading in 30 years of hamming, it does not mean anything. But I do enjoy seeing the S-meter move through it's full range, it allows a good visual gauge of QSB. The K3 meter scale is bunched up on the left side of the range, having less physical distance for S0 to S9

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2008-02-01 Thread Dave G4AON
Regarding the comments to alter the scale settings for the S-Meter, all I can say is that with the current firmware (MCU firmware 1.66) and the suggested default settings, the K3 S-Meter is the most accurate I've ever measured. For S9 at -73 dBm (50 uV PD), S9 +20 occurs at -53 dBm, + 40 at -3

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2008-02-02 Thread Craig D. Smith
While we are on the subject of the S meter, I'd like the status of a topic that was discussed several months ago before the actual availability of the radio. The question was whether the S meter would indicate the actual signal voltage at the input to the rig or whether it would be dependent on th

[Elecraft] K3 S meter

2008-02-23 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Didn't read somewhere at some time that the K3 would also display the received signal in dbm? That would solve a lot. de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info

[Elecraft] K3 S meter

2008-09-25 Thread Barry Simpson
This is a subject which has been referred to in several recent postings. The S meter in my K3 reads typically S5 as a minimum on SSB and S3 on CW (selectivity 400Hz) on band noise, that is in the absence of a signal. When disconnecting the antenna the S meter reverts to no reading. It is a

[Elecraft] [K3] S meter

2008-09-26 Thread Mike Scott
>In my view the K3 S meter is simply far too sensitive at the lower end. Barry, comparing the K3 S-meter to another rig's S-meter will lead you in circles. Different S-meter standards can be used and calibration between of the various rigs could be quite different. From my measuring many receivers

[Elecraft] K3 S meter

2008-09-26 Thread Barry Simpson
Thanks to everyone for your comments on my posting. I think I will use the ABS setting. 73 Barry VK2BJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub,

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2008-10-31 Thread Don Rasmussen
The S-Meter is important to my operation, it tells me if the band is going out when the frequency of s-Meter dips below some minimum level increase greatly in a short period of time. So absolute accuracy as compared to any other standard is not important to me, but I -must- be able to see the d

[Elecraft] K3: S meter

2008-11-13 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
I am so blessed to be a contester. Everybody is S9. Of course, if the guy is really, really weak and I need several repeats, then he only gets a 599. :-) de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2009-01-02 Thread Gary Gregory
Greetings, Correct me if I am wrong, but I would think that once you place anything in between the K3 and the antenna, the K3 will see this extra piece of equipment. Whilst all these accessories claim to present 50 Ohms to the transceiver, they place in the fine print that this is a nominal figure

[Elecraft] K3 S meter

2007-04-29 Thread charliedelta
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[Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2007-07-09 Thread adamkern
Does the K3's bar-graph S-meter have a function to momentarily hold a bar at the 'peak' value? N1KO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread DL5OCD
Hello together, i observed when i activate the peak-hold function of the S-Meter that one "bar" is added to the signal (the hold dot). So the meter shows abt 5db too much...anyone observed this issue ? I use 4.60 FW, SMTR MD set to abs. 73 Michael -- View this message in context: http://elecra

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-04 Thread Toby Pennington
>>...I would like to see the RF gain ride the signals instead of deflecting. >>W4CAK wrote>>> Ralph, ve7Xf wrote,I don't understand. The S-meter usually indicates the AGC voltage. I like it the way it is. Ralph, VE7XF Ralph, I probably did not phrase that properly. I would like to see the

[Elecraft] K3-S Meter

2013-03-06 Thread Toby Pennington
Don, while that may be true, I wonder how Ten Tec was able to reverse the way the Orion 2's S-Meter works going from a deflected Rf gain to one that works independent of RF gain? Toby W4CAk __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http:/

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2007-12-13 Thread Ian J Maude
Hi all, I have been having great fun building a K3 for a friend and have a query on the S-meter. I have checked it with my XG1 and it appears to have s9 for 50uV etc. It seems *very* reluctant to go over s9 though. I am considering setting it for s9 without the preamp in. Any ideas please?

[Elecraft] [K3] S-meter unresponsive

2010-03-09 Thread John Harper
I'm to the point of installing the 100w PA assembly but have been trying to resolve the s-meter issue... Whether attached to an antenna & tuned to weak, strong or no signals or no antenna attached at all - the S meter reads the same: 1 LCD on and an additional LCD flickering with the default va

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-17 Thread Geoffrey Downs
A couple of years ago there was some correspondence on the reflector about whether an S unit is 6db or 4 db and there appears to be historical precedent for both but I have looked at the archive and can't find where it rested as far as the K3 is concerned. It occurred to me while recently re-ca

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-17 Thread Bill W4ZV
Geoffrey Downs-2 wrote: > > A couple of years ago there was some correspondence on the reflector about > whether an S unit is 6db or 4 db and there appears to be historical > precedent for both but I have looked at the archive and can't find where > it > rested as far as the K3 is concerned.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-17 Thread Al Lorona
I calibrated the S-meter to 5 dB per S-unit because then the divisions represent 5 dB both above and below S-9. This is easy to remember and it also seemed to allow quite good linearity all along the scale. As has been pointed out, there is no standard so a choice of 5 dB/unit is as valid as any

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-17 Thread ab2tc
Hmm, have you checked the calibration above S9? If you compress the scale below S9 to 5dB per S-unit, the scale above S9 is likely to be compressed also, to something like 8.5dB per 10dB division. AB2TC - Knut Al Lorona wrote: > > I calibrated the S-meter to 5 dB per S-unit because then the d

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-17 Thread Mike Scott
Geoff said>For practical purposes S3 is probably close enough rather than "about S2 or 3" as shown in the manual. Or is it more complicated than that? Geoff, lets do the math... S-9 is 50 uV at the antenna terminals by convention 1 uV is equal to 20 * log (1/50) = -33.98 dB below S-9 Say we d

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
No standards. There is no international body in charge of the definition of an S-unit. Just history. Somewhere I have a .jpg file from an ebay posting of a lovely pristine 30's receiver with an S meter that showed S units on top side of scale, and dB's on the bottom side. 6 db per unit. The ve

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-17 Thread Philippe Trottet
Dears I've seen on the manual S9 /50 microvolts is adjusted with Preamp ON . As a new Elecrafter I need some explanations, because with my previous rigs, I use to calibrate S9 without the preamp. Thanks Philippe A65BI K3 #3616 >>> Bill W4ZV 17-11-2009 22:25 >>> Geoffrey Downs-2 wrote: > >

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-18 Thread Oliver Johns
Hi Philippe, I think that instruction is in error. I adjusted mine with both the preamp and the attenuator OFF. Makes more sense that way. Turn CONFIG: SMTR MODE to nor. Turn preamp and attenuator OFF, and then adjust your S meter. Now if you decide to turn SMTR MODE to ABS, you'll f

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-18 Thread Lyle Johnson
The manual is correct if you wish to use "nor" mode for the S Meter. If you wish to use ABS mode, then you need set PRE OFF and ATT OFF before adjusting CONFIG: SMTR SC and CONFIG:SMTR OF. In this case, with no sig gen attached, the lowest S Meter bar may flicker or be on. On both of my K3s (

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2009-11-18 Thread Lyle Johnson
> The manual is correct if you wish to use "nor" mode for the S Meter. > > If you wish to use ABS mode, then you need set PRE OFF and ATT OFF > before adjusting CONFIG: SMTR SC and CONFIG:SMTR OF. To be clearer, if you calibrate according to the manual and *then* select ABS mode, the S meter w

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter Calibration

2008-05-04 Thread William Shappley
In case anyone wants to compare, I just calibrated my K3's S-meter with an in-cal HP 8640B.The new firmware (Version 1.87/1.69) includes the magic S-meter that reads the same no matter what (pre-amp, attenuator, etc.) and since the firmware documentation said recalibration is required,

[Elecraft] K3: S meter calibration

2008-07-23 Thread Graham Kimbell (G3TCT)
I get very optimistic readings on my S meter above S9. I calibrated the S meter on 7MHz as per instructions and everything seemed ok with SMTR OF =26. According to my calculation 50uV is -73dBm. I increased the input and got the following readings:- -53dBm (should be S9+20) reads 9+30 on 6m an

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-14 Thread Robert Mitilieri - N9EF
While I've seen many post regarding S meter calibration I have a question to which I haven't found an answer in the archives. Let's say I'm listening to a signal that's peaking at S7. I usually decrease the RF gain so that, with no signal, the S meter reads about S5. This reduces the backgroun

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Edward R Cole
e: 30 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 09:49:27 -0400 From: drewko Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior To: The Smiths Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The way I understand it, turning donw the RF Gain does not "improve" the signal

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Edward R Cole
In some areas of ham radio having a fairly accurate measure of signal strength is more than "nice". On HF "who really cares" is what I am getting here on the list. But if you design, construct and try to get the optimum performance from your station, measurements become more than "nice". Of

[Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-16 Thread Edward R Cole
chard Hill Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior To: The Smiths Cc: Elecraft Reflector Message-ID: <4c406d0a.8050...@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Understood. My poorly described point was that the signal strength as reported by the s-meter

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2008-02-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
Don, If you look at the S-meter markings carefully, and consider that each mark indicates 5 to 6 dB, then the scale does make sense. The scale from S1 to S3 would indicate a change of 12 dB - and that is about the same distance as the difference between S9 and S9+12 db. If the scale is 6 dB p

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter

2008-02-02 Thread Larry Phipps
: Don Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have never given an S-meter reading in 30 years of hamming, it does not mean anything. But I do enjoy seeing

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter calibration

2008-02-10 Thread Dave G4AON
Hi Frank I too am running MCU 1.66 and DSP 1.52, however I have modified the AGC as per the hardware AGC modification from Elecraft which may make a difference. The modification will probably soon be published by Elecraft. I was sent the information as part of extended testing of ARQ modes I'

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter Mode

2008-08-31 Thread Paul Kirley
When I tried setting K3 CONFIG:SMTR MD to ABS, I found that the S-meter reading then stayed constant regardless of the setting of the preamp/attenuator, in agreement with the Owner's Manual addendum. However, the reading for a 50-microvolt input signal (with the preamp on and attenuator off) fa

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter

2008-09-26 Thread dj7mgq
In my view the K3 S meter is simply far too sensitive at the lower end. I do not think so. Some band/antenna/QTH combinations will on a *good* S-Meter show fairly high S values for band noise. Without wanting to reopen the S-Meter mail wars of from the days after the announcement of the K3

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S meter

2008-09-26 Thread Bill W4ZV
Barry Simpson wrote: > > It is a fact that the band noise is not for example S5 - and my FT1000MP > MKV and TS2000 read S0 or S1 in the same situation. > This is because most rigs' meters are inaccurate and indicate ~3 dB per S-unit below S9. Identical "S1" noise on another rig would be 24

[Elecraft] K3 - S Meter funny

2008-11-08 Thread Stewart Baker
A fellow club member commented on how his K3 S meter behaved in a strange way when it was set SMTR MD = Abs. On investigation I found that mine does the same. On all bands SSB with the antenna input terminated with 50 ohms, I found that the S Meter reading can go up when the noise level goes down

[Elecraft] K3 - S Meter funny

2008-11-08 Thread Mike Scott
>Situation... >ATT = ON with PRE = ON gives a S 2-3 reading. >Leaving ATT = ON and switching PRE=OFF, the audio noise level goes down, however the S meter now gives a S 4-5 reading ! >With SMTR MD =nor, everything is as it should be. >Anyone else see this ? Nope, S3 with any combination o

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter

2008-11-13 Thread Jan Erik Holm
Don´t you ever like to compare two antennas? Or someone you have a QSO with likes to compare antennas or something else, amplifiers or what ever. If everybody is using K3´s and the difference is smaller then 5 dB you can´t see it on the S-meter and since the AGC is so darn good you can´t hear it e

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter

2008-11-13 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Lets let this topic rest for now. :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft list moderator ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qt

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter

2008-11-13 Thread S Sacco
Notwithstanding Eric's request to let this rest... For testing, the K3 has the very excellent feature whereby it can measure the receive voltage. That would be an FB way to compare signals. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter

2008-11-13 Thread Paul Christensen
"If everybody is using K3´s and the difference is smaller then 5 dB you can´t see it on the S-meter and since the AGC is so darn good you can´t hear it either." Reading the Rx voltage scale is one option, but IMHO, a better solution for signal comparison purposes is to use the K3 with either LP

RE: [Elecraft] K3: S meter

2008-11-13 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:40 PM > To: Jan Erik Holm > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter > > > > "If everybody is using K3´s and the difference is smaller > then 5 dB you can´t see it on the S-meter and since the > AGC is s

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2007-07-09 Thread ab7r
Yes it does. There's a menu selection for this hold option. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Mon Jul 9 12:25 , sent: >Does the K3's bar-graph S-meter have a function to momentarily >hold a bar at the 'peak' value? > >N1KO >

[Elecraft] K3 - S-meter zero

2015-09-28 Thread Fred Jensen
For the first time in years, I have no antenna connected to my K3 in our new digs, and the S-Meter sits at S3. What's going on and how do I get it to zero with no input? I'd research this in the manual and Fred's book, if I knew where they were, we're still finding stuff in boxes that haven't

[Elecraft] [K3] S-meter linearity

2017-12-05 Thread Al Lorona
I ran through an RF Gain calibration with the K3 Utility-- as I seem to do every three or four years for no good reason-- and then I checked the linearity of the S-meter. I've calibrated my S-meter for 1 S-unit = 5 dB because that way each tic mark represents 5 dB both above and below S9, making

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter question

2014-04-04 Thread Arlen Fletcher
I’ve just completed building my K3/10 (S/N 8115)!!! The PA3 and sub-receiver are sitting here but not built/installed yet. Everything seems to work fine - completed the TX gain calibration successfully, and the filter setup too, of course. However, I’m puzzled by the how the S-meter is behaving.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
> "DL5OCD" == DL5OCD writes: DL5OCD> Hello together, DL5OCD> i observed when i activate the peak-hold function of the DL5OCD> S-Meter that one DL5OCD> "bar" is added to the signal (the hold dot). So the meter DL5OCD> shows abt 5db too DL5OCD> much...anyone observed

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread Fred Jensen
Running 4.58 and mine does the same. I set the service monitor down to S-9, and then set the P3 to -73 dBm, but finally decided I didn't like peak-hold, and put it back. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013 - www.cqp.org On 1/15/2013 1

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread DL5OCD
OK, many thanks. So it seems more like a bug than a feature...i`ll forward this to k3-support. 73 Michael -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-S-Meter-tp7568712p7568716.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
No need to contact support. This is the way is has acted since the beginning. 73, Eric --- www.elecraft.com On 1/15/2013 2:05 PM, DL5OCD wrote: OK, many thanks. So it seems more like a bug than a feature...i`ll forward this to k3-support. 73 Michael

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-15 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
"Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" wrote: >No need to contact support. This is the way is has acted since the >beginning. > >73, > >Eric >--- >www.elecraft.com > >On 1/15/2013 2:05 PM, DL5OCD wrote: >> OK, many thanks. So it seems more like a bug than a feature...i`ll >forward >> this to k3-suppor

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-01-16 Thread DL5OCD
Hi Eric, thanks for jump in here. Gary already contacted me and told me to do the whole recalibration when i want to use the peak-hold function. I decided now to not use this feature because when i want to switch it off i`ve to do that again... 73 and many thanks for the fast support... Michael

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-02-23 Thread Laurent F6DEX
HI I also don't use it for the same reason. Of course, if this can be improved that's fine !... 73, Laurent - Laurent F6DEX -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-S-Meter-tp7568712p7570250.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2013-03-04 Thread Ralph Parker
>>...I would like to see the RF gain ride the signals instead of deflecting. I don't understand. The S-meter usually indicates the AGC voltage. I like it the way it is. Ralph, VE7XF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.ne

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2013-03-04 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Optional? Sent from my iPad Chuck, KE9UW (Jack for BMW motorcycles) On Mar 4, 2013, at 2:29 PM, "Ralph Parker" wrote: >>> ...I would like to see the RF gain ride the signals instead of deflecting. > > I don't understand. > The S-meter usually indicates the AGC voltage. > I like it the way i

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
On the contrary, one can give an honest report even with the RF gain reduced (but only under certain circumstances). If one has reduced the RF gain to the point (just) where the S-meter deflection is at the noise floor, then the S-meter readings should still be valid - you are simply reducing th

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-05 Thread Tom H Childers
RST is not a reflection of S-METER readings at all. It is a means of describing the quality of a received signal, not just the strength. Furthermore Amateur radio manufacturers (not Elecraft) are notorious for not following the 50 microvolts = S9 rule, so S-meter readings are meaningless as measur

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-05 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
ignal level at the antenna in -dBm or, for traditionalists, in S-units. BTW, the P3 assumes 6 dB/S-unit too. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom H Childers Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:46

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-06 Thread drewko
Don, I always seem to have my RF gain adjusted by ear to below where the s-meter will deflect on a particular signal. So I will most always have to readjust the gain to see an s-meter reading. The RF gain can be adjusted much lower than the signal's meter deflection point but still have an audible

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter

2013-03-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
Drew, The S-meter operates off the AGC voltage and cannot be controlled in the firmware. The result is that you will "have to put up with it" Most all receivers have done the same thing in my 50+ years of hamming. What I can say is is that if you reduce the RF Gain to eliminate the band noi

Re: [Elecraft] K3-S Meter

2013-03-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
Toby, Different hardware, not dependent on the AGC for S-meter indications. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/6/2013 7:57 PM, Toby Pennington wrote: Don, while that may be true, I wonder how Ten Tec was able to reverse the way the Orion 2's S-Meter works going from a deflected Rf gain to one that wor

[Elecraft] K3 S meter oddities

2011-08-11 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU
When I plug my headphones into the K3 the S Meter jumps up about 5 s units. This unit is running 4.31 FW. I obviously have not tried new 4.39. Just curious if anyone else has seen this. Mike W0MU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2007-12-13 Thread Ian J Maude
Ian J Maude wrote: Hi all, I have been having great fun building a K3 for a friend and have a query on the S-meter. I have checked it with my XG1 and it appears to have s9 for 50uV etc. It seems *very* reluctant to go over s9 though. I am considering setting it for s9 without the preamp in.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-meter

2007-12-13 Thread Tom Hammond
Ian: I have been having great fun building a K3 for a friend and have a query on the S-meter. I have checked it with my XG1 and it appears to have s9 for 50uV etc. It seems *very* reluctant to go over s9 though. I am considering setting it for s9 without the preamp in. Any ideas please?

[Elecraft] K3 S-meter imrovement suggestion

2009-02-02 Thread Craig
I would like to suggest the following as a possible future improvement to the   K3's S-meters scale.. We would have 2 switchable scales, the current scale  and an alternate meter scale that uses the  current  S9+60db   scale range to indicate  signals only up to the S9 level. This would give a

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-09-24 Thread Jim Harris
Hi All, I've had my new K3 up and running for about a week after replacing the DSP board during assembly due to the 5vdc rail being shorted to ground. The S-meter shows about S-2/3 noise and there is about an equal level of noise from the speaker. I have an IC-756ProIII sitting beside it and

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-09-24 Thread Don Rasmussen
they have been working on a provision in the utility program that will achieve the same effect, using only the firmware. Gotta love SDR. It's in the release notes but not quite ready AFAIK. [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise Jim Harris w0em at q.com Thu Sep 24 11:18:33 EDT 2009 Previo

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-04 Thread Toni Lindén
I found out similar behavior with K3 while testing it for the first time in SAC contest. I was sure that the noise was some kind of power line noise or similar. After the contest I disconnected *all* electrical devices but noise was still there. Changed to FT1000 Mark V and the band was quiet whil

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-04 Thread Don Rasmussen
Here's my look for what its worth. ;-) I have been following AGC, S-meter, and threshold/slope values since the beginning - K2 #272 over two years ago. Until recently, I have found that K3 sensitivity varied between serial numbers and that could not be changed. I suspect this value was not mea

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter calibration

2008-07-23 Thread ab2tc
This is typical for K3s without the Hardware AGC modification. Mine is like that and I don't appreciate it very much. Knut - AB2TC Graham Kimbell (G3TCT) wrote: > > I get very optimistic readings on my S meter above S9. I calibrated the S > meter on 7MHz as per instructions and everything see

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter calibration

2008-07-23 Thread Guy, K2AV
To the issue, I would think that the hardware AGC intercept (and doing the mod) should strictly be a performance issue set by Elecraft for engineering reasons, and that the neat *option* to do S-meter calibration would be to set S9 and the other major points (S1/3/5/7 and +20/40/60) by raising o

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter calibration

2008-07-24 Thread S Sacco
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Guy, K2AV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Everyone has the choice to put their money with TenTec, Yaesu, Kenwood, etc. if they want to. Don't like the neighborhood? Move. -- Guy - That'

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter calibration

2008-07-24 Thread Guy, K2AV
I'll worry about that when Wayne & company quit hearing, accepting reports, and integrating suggestions. 73, Guy. That's not a good line of "logic". It's along the same lines of: "Your country: Love it or Leave It!!!". Baloney. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter calibration

2008-07-25 Thread N0QO
Hello, I am not sure what your signal source is for your calibration and I have not researched this topoc on this reflector so it may be covered in detail by others. I will convey what I have found about S meter calibration. "SMTR SC" and "SMTR OF" affect each other so if you change on you have

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter calibration

2008-07-25 Thread Bill W5WVO
- Original Message - From: "N0QO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter calibration > Through trial and error using my 8640B sig gen, I found > that if I played with different values of SC and OF that >

Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter calibration

2008-07-25 Thread N0QO
MD mode you planned to operate (ABS or nor). SMTR OF 017 SMTR SC 016 Ken, N0QO Bill W5WVO wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "N0QO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: S meter calibratio

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-14 Thread Don Wilhelm
Robert, That is just the way the S-meter response works - it is the same on many receivers - the S-meter will indicate higher when the RF Gain is reduced. The K3 does have a "cure", and that is to set the S-meter to ABS (absolute) in the Configuration Menu (see the manual). With that setting,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-14 Thread Robert Mitilieri - N9EF
Increasing the RF gain does deflect the meter upwards. I should have mentioned that there is an S3 noise floor. Here's the steps that I followed: Tune a signal that's peaking S7 with RF gain fully CW Tune away from any signal (S3 noise) adjust the RF gain CCW until the meter reads S5 Tune that s

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-14 Thread Wes Stewart
Yes it does with respect to RF gain. --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Don Wilhelm wrote: The K3 does have a "cure", and that is to set the S-meter to ABS (absolute) in the Configuration Menu (see the manual).  With that setting, the S-meter does not change with the PRE/ATT/RF Gain. __

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-14 Thread Don Wilhelm
Robert, You are relying on your S-meter too much IMHO. If you have an S-3 noise level, the first attack is to turn off the preamp - if that does not reduce the noise level enough, then turn the Attenuator ON. If the noise level is still so high as to be bothersome, turn the RF Gain control down

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-14 Thread The Smiths
S UNITS, Tone Excellent. > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:30:07 -0400 > From: w3...@embarqmail.com > To: n...@comcast.net > CC: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > > Robert, > > You are relying on your S-meter too much IMHO. > Yes, a

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-14 Thread David Gilbert
ot, not just an > "Ignore" your 2,000 dollar rig's S meter. > > > > 559 still MEANS Receive Excellent, Signal 5 S UNITS, Tone Excellent. > > >> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:30:07 -0400 >> From: w3...@embarqmail.com >> To: n...@comcast.net >>

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Robert Mitilieri - N9EF
Thanks all for your comments. It's nice to get so much feedback so fast! While I'm not very concerned about this, I do like to use my S meter to give the Strength report and believe that an S7 signal should read S7 even if the RF gain is turned down a bit (just for info, I set the S meter to Abs

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread drewko
Don, I don't see that to be the case. The action of the s-meter in ABS mode does change when the RF Gain has been reduced. If you turn the RF Gain to 12 o'clock the s-meter goes to S9+30db. 73, Drew AF2Z On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:34:22 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote: >Robert, > >The K3 does have a "cur

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread drewko
The way I understand it, turning donw the RF Gain does not "improve" the signal's s-meter strength. The increasing level of the s-meter as you reduce the RF Gain indicates the level that a signal would need to attain in order to be heard. For example, if you turn the RF Gain to 12 o'clock you will

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Richard Hill
I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on this. I think I understand that the apparent power of a signal to your ears/brain may vary even though the actual received power is the same. Commercials on TV seems much louder than the shows these days, but I'm hearing

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Paul Milward
elm >To: Robert Mitilieri - N9EF >Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 12:30:07 AM >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior >Robert, >You are relying on your S-meter too much IMHO. >If you have an S-3 noise level, the first attack is to turn off the &g

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread ussv dharma
ILL arrive exactly where you're headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM USSV DHARMA  --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Richard Hill wrote: > From: Richard Hill > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Date: Thursday,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Richard Hill
I do understand that my statement below may not make sense for digital modes . Rich NU6T On 7/15/2010 6:58 AM, Richard Hill wrote: > I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on > this. I think I understand that the apparent power of a signal to your > ears/brain may

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread K5WA
TheSmiths said: "559 still MEANS Receive Excellent, Signal 5 S UNITS, Tone Excellent." Actually, this statement is inaccurate and the RST code never specifies S meter readings but this perception is a common misconception. 559 means Readability Excellent, Fairly Strong Signal

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread The Smiths
er EVERYONE with their knowledge EVERY time. Save it for when it really counts, not on how to read an S meter. > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:27:40 -0700 > From: xda...@cis-broadband.com > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > > > Just cu

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Phil Hystad
time. Save it for when > it really counts, not on how to read an S meter. > > > > > >> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:27:40 -0700 >> From: xda...@cis-broadband.com >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior >>

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Tom W8JI
> Personally, I would prefer that the s-meter not operate in this way in > ABS mode. RF Gain should have no effect on the s-meter action when in > ABS mode, just as ATT and PRE do not. It would probably screw up (highly technical term) how the system works, or require a separate receiver just for

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread Robert Mitilieri - N9EF
Actually the S meter is used so the Strength of the signal report is *not* subjective, that's reserved for Readability. I firmly believe that the Strength report must *not* be subjective, why else ever put a meter to measure signal Strength? In the case of signal Strength we *must* differentiate

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior

2010-07-15 Thread The Smiths
ailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 S Meter behavior > > I don't really understand, but would be interested in more discussion on > this. I think I understand that the apparent power of a signal to your > ears/brain may vary even though the actual received power is the sa

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