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Interesting post Frank and perfect timing after trying to work stations with my K3S loaded with SSB roofing filters through the heavy QRM during last weekend's WPX Phone contest. My head still hurts:) I was not aware that you use "other" radios on SSB. John KK9A Frank W3LPL wrote: Yo

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Engineering is the Science and Art of managing theoretical, mechanical, logistic, economic, ergonomic, and aesthetic tradeoffs. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/29/2020 10:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote: But that all depends on the parts you can buy for a product that must s

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Probably not add much of value to this discussion. When I first got my K3 in 2010 using the internal speaker the SSB audio seemed harsh. So didn't take me long to hook up my old 10-inch 1950's era National speaker (made a lot of difference). For demanding operation (usually meaning working v

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at our top-of-the-line radio. 73 Frank W3LPL *From: *"Clay Autery" *To: *elecraft@mailman.qth.net *Sent: *Monday, March 30, 2020 5:20:31 AM *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... What is this "better" SSB performance of which you speak. I am primarily

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:21 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... On 3/29/2020 10:02 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: > You would have to seriously compete in an SSB contest with some of the > more modern radios in very crowded bands to fully appreciate how much > better the more modern technologies a

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On 3/29/2020 10:45 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Thanks Frank. Soon after he got his Flex 6700, his two key impressions were I failed to identify the speaker -- it was K6TD, a fine engineer, serious contester, and veteran of multiple DX trips. 73, Jim K9YC

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On 3/29/2020 10:02 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: You would have to seriously compete in an SSB contest with some of the more modern radios in very crowded bands to fully appreciate how much better the more modern technologies are for both transmit and receive signal quality. The latest Flex r

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Bottom Line:  As in many things  "It's the Indian, not the arrow."  Though, I still prefer to have the best bow and arrow that I can possibly afford. And as for me, "mission accomplished".   (100% self-funded) 73, __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 03/29/20 15:35

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ank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "Clay Autery" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 5:21:54 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... Again, out of curiosity. How do you define "better"? __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318

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performance that our top-of-the-line radio. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "Clay Autery" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 5:20:31 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... What is this "better" SSB performance of which

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ge- From: tony@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:40 PM To: 'donov...@starpower.net' ; 'Elecraft@mailman.qth.net' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] The Big Three... Hi Frank, I agree with what you said about CW rigs and lightweight rigs for traveling. The K3 on SSB

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ce. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "K9FD" To: "Paul Gacek" Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 4:26:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... I agree Paul, and my comment was to play the stats in jest. when the glass is half ful

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, March 30, 2020 12:32:52 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... Hi Frank, SSB is my un-favorite mode, and I don't have exposure to other contemporary rigs, so I'd be interested to get your perspective of what features/performance of the K3 are weak as opposed to the other radio

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t: 3/29/2020 5:41:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... 29.03.2020 23:06, donov...@starpower.net пишет: It won't be long before we can have some run running the same tests with the K4. 73 Frank W3LPL Frank, please keep us posted regarding the outcome of this future

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Hi Frank, SSB is my un-favorite mode, and I don't have exposure to other contemporary rigs, so I'd be interested to get your perspective of what features/performance of the K3 are weak as opposed to the other radios. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/29/2020 10:09 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: The K3 d

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ry to introduce blindness into the test procedure to get a valid result. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "Igor Sokolov" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:41:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... 29.03.2020 23:06, donov..

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29.03.2020 23:06, donov...@starpower.net пишет: It won't be long before we can have some run running the same tests with the K4. 73 Frank W3LPL Frank, please keep us posted regarding the outcome of this future testing. 73, Igor UA9CDC __

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ginal Message - > > From: "Carl Yaffey" > To: donov...@starpower.net, Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 5:35:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... > > Frank, I’d like to know why a K3 is not great on SSB. Is it the receiver &

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By any logic there is only one winner in any contest. Except in American events where there have to many sub events so Everyone gets a prize. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 29, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > But...with that logic,.there was ONE winner

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most competitive SSB operators. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: "Charles Sells" To: "K9FD" Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 4:39:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... Merv, I am curious. If you think K3’s are “losers” then wh

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an.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 5:35:15 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... Frank, I’d like to know why a K3 is not great on SSB. Is it the receiver audio? Transmitter EQ? On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:09 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: Charles, The most competitive

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There is a difference in the K3 receiver audio quality and the K3S receiver audio quality.  Perhaps that is the reason the K3 is not preferred for SSB. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/29/2020 12:35 PM, Carl Yaffey wrote: Frank, I’d like to know why a K3 is not great on SSB. Is it the receiver audio? Tr

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Frank, I’d like to know why a K3 is not great on SSB. Is it the receiver audio? Transmitter EQ? > On Mar 29, 2020, at 1:09 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: > > Charles, > > > > The most competitive contesters -- the subject of this thread -- will always > gravitate to the highest perform

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Damn Charles your reading comprehension needs work I never said at all anything about Elecraft and even said I own 3 - K3s in my station Get a life. Merv, I am curious. If you think K3’s are “losers” then why are you on the Elecraft Reflector message board in the first place? 73 Charles W4P

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ot; To: "K9FD" Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 4:39:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... Merv, I am curious. If you think K3’s are “losers” then why are you on the Elecraft Reflector message board in the first place? 73 Charles W4PPP

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usually favor the K3, during SSB contests our "run" operators NEVER favor the K3. 73 Frank W3LPL -Original Message- From: tony@verizon.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:40 PM To: 'donov...@starpower.net' ; 'Elecraft@mailman.qth.net' Subje

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He is not saying K3s are losers, he is saying statistics can be interpreted to indicate the very opposite of what is intended. 73, Kent K9ZTV > On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Charles Sells wrote: > > Merv, > > I am curious. If you think K3’s are “losers” then why are you on the > Elecraft

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suite so we can have a beer or two plus chat. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of donov...@starpower.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:33 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... This is by far not an

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Merv, I am curious. If you think K3’s are “losers” then why are you on the Elecraft Reflector message board in the first place? 73 Charles W4PPP On Mar 29, 2020, at 12:26 PM, K9FD wrote: I agree Paul, and my comment was to play the stats in jest. when the glass is half full you can see it

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Message - From: "K9FD" To: "Paul Gacek" Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 4:26:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... I agree Paul, and my comment was to play the stats in jest. when the glass is half full you can see it from both si

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I agree Paul,  and my comment was to play the stats in jest. when the glass is half full you can see it from both sides, I did that to stir the  Elecraft kool aide crew. Having contested many many years in  my past life,  I dont own 3 - K3 radios because they are losers,  and nope I  am not in

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ch 29, 2020 3:05:58 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Big Three... Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five: Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu. Wes N7WS On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote: > I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4

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Right on Bill,  the radio has only a small part to play in these contests, if it provides the basic operation thats all thats needed,  the operator is the key.   They all are as equal as possible with the same antennas same locations etc. Contests for a number of years at K4VX multi-multi and I ob

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Since WRTC operators are already considered top-notch, I would interpret that data as indicating almost half of the rigs used by top operators are the Elecraft K3/K3S. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/29/2020 10:32 AM, John K9UWA wrote: I get 66 Elecraft K3 radios out of a possible 126. That leaves 60 ra

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Yes, and isnt that radical,  what a thought,  a pair of guys were better than everyone else. Its called exceptionalism.   It actually works. But...with that logic,.there was ONE winner, the rest were losers. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/29/2020 10:47 AM, K9FD wrote: SO lets see,  we are s

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This is a senseless comparison. In a NASCAR race, it’s driver/car against driver/car. But with radio contests it’s only operator against operator. There’s no easy way to play radio against radio. Nowhere in the log for radio mfg to be logged. Maybe a new contest. Exchange might be RS(T), firs

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Merv Now we entering the arena of stats can tell you whatever you want them to tell you! In fairness only one of the top teams was a US team (I think) and 3 of the top 15 were US. Maybe radio choice for the Europeans is more to do with ICOM et al possibly having a more direct sales and support

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But...with that logic,.there was ONE winner, the rest were losers. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/29/2020 10:47 AM, K9FD wrote: SO lets see,  we are saying that 50 percent used Elecraft,  and out of the top 3 no one did, and most who used Elecraft were in the bottom. So was it the radio or t

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Put all the stations in the same tent and then see who wins :-) 73, Dave, K4TO On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:47 AM K9FD wrote: > SO lets see, we are saying that 50 percent used Elecraft, and out of > the top 3 no one did, > and most who used Elecraft were in the bottom. > So was it the radio o

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SO lets see,  we are saying that 50 percent used Elecraft,  and out of the top 3 no one did, and most who used Elecraft were in the bottom. So was it the radio or the operator? If you look at it from one point of view,  loosers used Elecraft.. Merv K9FD,   and I own 3 - k3 radios so not biased.

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Wasn't my subject line. But I'll see your four and raise it to five: Elecraft, Flex, Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu. Wes  N7WS On 3/29/2020 6:55 AM, Michael Walker wrote: I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4. Mike va3mw On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes

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I suppose that as a sometimes NASCAR fan, I gravitate to the top ten :-) Wes  N7WS On 3/29/2020 6:52 AM, Paul Gacek wrote: Wes I think virtually all of the ~134 participants are by definition are top contesters and not just the top 10 of the 67 teams but you are correct that the top 10 aren’

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I get 66 Elecraft K3 radios out of a possible 126. That leaves 60 radios total split between the Other Companies Radios. John k9uwa On 29 Mar 2020 at 9:55, Michael Walker wrote: > I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4. > > Mike va3mw > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28

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I find you mention the big 3, but it is really the big 4. Mike va3mw On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:28 AM Wes wrote: > FWIW. I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using. > > You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s. Sixth and 7th places > use > one K3 and something e

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Wes I think virtually all of the ~134 participants are by definition are top contesters and not just the top 10 of the 67 teams but you are correct that the top 10 aren’t dyed in the wool Elecrafters. I did a quick mental tally and think 50% of the rigs are K3 (~67 out of 134). The next larges

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FWIW.  I took a cursory look at the top 10 to see what they were using. You have to get to 5th place to find a pair of K3s.  Sixth and 7th places use one K3 and something else for the second radio. So four out of 20 radios were K3s. Also of interest 6 out of 10 used WinTest with 4 using N1MM+

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This doesn't happen anymore..Not in the last ten years..Turn your K3 on and call CQ!!  This helps with being bored..    73s Bob W5RG On Sunday, March 29, 2020, 7:48:13 AM CDT, Christian Friess wrote: "The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday auto

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"The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the weekend" That must have been long before the internet 73 Chris, DL2MDU Am 29.03.2020 um 11:50 schrieb Paul Gacek via Elecraft: If you follow the li

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If you follow the link you can see what radios the 50+ WRTC 2018 participant teams used. Lots of K3. http://wrtc2018.de/competition/finalscores.php Paul W6PNG/M0SNA www.nomadic.blog > On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft > wrote: > > Dick: > >> On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:17

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Dick: > On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote: > > The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday > auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the > weekend. > > > > I wonder if amateur radio manufacturers look for similar peaks

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Not unless they start televising contests... :-) Of course, during this sportsless pandemic, this possibility becomes a little more plausible. Radiosports, live on ESPN! 73, Scott N9AA On 3/28/20 10:17 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote: The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peak

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The Big Three Automobile manufacturers often looked towards peaks in Monday auto sales after their models performed well in NASCAR races over the weekend. I wonder if amateur radio manufacturers look for similar peaks following contest events. As ever, Dick - KA5KKT