Re: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug

2009-08-23 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Need to remember that in the days when bugs were king, the typical voltage being keyed was between a cathode(s) and ground (often a couple hundred volts at several hundred ma) or bias voltage (75, 105, 150 volts). Turn off the lights and key the bug keying an 807 rig, and you could see the sparks.

Re: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug

2009-08-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
The problem I dealt with is not contact bounce, but contacts that do not make a low enough resistance connection to trigger the logic properly. It sounded like that was Werner's problem too. It's easy to see the contact resistance issue using a scope on the key line. The key voltage simply isn't b

Re: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Ellington
3 and Omni 7 are overly sensitive to switch noise and the cap will clear it up. Radio Shack PN is: 272-1434 Steve N4LQ n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: "Vic K2VCO" To: "'Elecraft List'" Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [El

Re: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug

2009-08-23 Thread Paul Christensen
> Deoxit helps, as Ron says. Also intermittent cleaning with a business > card. But the real > solution for bug keying of modern rigs -- even the K3, which *is* better > than the K2 at > this -- is a simple circuit composed of a reed relay with a capacitor > across the coil to > soak up the cont

Re: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug

2009-08-23 Thread Bob Cunnings
Have you tried a bit of foam tucked into the "U" shape of the dit contact spring? Bob NW8L On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Denise&Werner wrote: > Hello group > > Was wondering if anyone had the same experience as I have. > Got a Vibroplex Classic a few months ago and took quite awhile to get th

Re: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug

2009-08-23 Thread Vic K2VCO
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > I suspect you're experiencing "scratchy" or intermittent dits, not chirp. > ("Chirp" is when your frequency shifts up or down during the initial > milliseconds after the key closes) > > As others pointed out, a good low resistance contact is *required* by modern > rigs t

Re: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug

2009-08-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I suspect you're experiencing "scratchy" or intermittent dits, not chirp. ("Chirp" is when your frequency shifts up or down during the initial milliseconds after the key closes) As others pointed out, a good low resistance contact is *required* by modern rigs that key a low voltage/low current li

Re: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug

2009-08-23 Thread drewko
I guess the K3 just likes your bug! First, make sure the contacts are mating squarely. Then measure the continuity when the dot contacts are resting closed. It should be a dead short. If there is any resistance find out where and correct it. Assuming that is okay, how many dits does the bug gener

Re: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug

2009-08-23 Thread Sam Binkley
--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Denise&Werner wrote: From: Denise&Werner Subject: [Elecraft] Vibroplex Bug To: "Elecraft List" Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 5:15 PM Hello group Was wondering if anyone had the same experience as I have. Got a Vibroplex Classic a few months ago and took quite awhile

Re: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-27 Thread Tony Morgan
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RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-27 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
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RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
One thing about Vibroplex: they never figured out how to make a weight!! Their weights are small in diameter. That means they essentially make the pendulum thicker! That doesn't work worth a darn. My Vibroplex will drop to about 23 WPM with THREE Vibroplex weights loading up the pendulum. It'

Re: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-27 Thread Vic K2VCO
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: When I do use a keyer these days (e.g. my KX1 in the field) I use it like a 'bug', tapping the dash lever for each dash, etc. Not an ideal solution, but it helps avoid my reverting to keyer muscle memory and 'forgetting' how to use a bug again. For me, that happens very q

RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-27 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Don't feel bad Fred. It's such a problem for me I avoid keyers now. I considered Arnie's option because, being nominally a "leftie" as a child I learned the straight key left handed then learned the bug right handed (ambidextrousness is a bonus at times). I never had any confusion with "muscle mem

Re: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-27 Thread Charles Allison
- Original Message - From: Charles Allison To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug Chris, My wife got the bug bug, the straight key bug, the iambic key bug... fairly recently too. She is a dedicated but fairly slow cw

RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
Fred, I had the same problem 30 yrs ago. Ended up working the keyer with my left hand and the vibroplex with my right. Instant switching is possible without any mistake. Hope this helps. 73 Arie PA3A -- I try to use it on SKN, but it's a chore. Switching between a bug an

RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread Chris Kantarjiev
I got the bug bug about a year ago, and found a 1923 Vibroplex in decent shape. Yeah, the dot rate is way too fast to learn with. After exploring many options for slowing it, I went to a local hobby shop and got a bit of brass tubing that has an ID that is a slip fit over the rod. About 6" did it f

Re: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread AJSOENKE
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RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread John
At 02:54 PM 26/07/07, you wrote: -Original Message- On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Ken W5HYN wrote: > > FYI, Vibroplex offers an extension arm (called Vari-speed) to slow > down their bugs and it makes fine tuning speed easy. I put one on > my old Lightning Bug and it will slow down to

RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
-Original Message- On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Ken W5HYN wrote: > > FYI, Vibroplex offers an extension arm (called Vari-speed) to slow > down their bugs and it makes fine tuning speed easy. I put one on > my old Lightning Bug and it will slow down to below 15 wpm. > I bought my first

Re: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread Fred Jensen
Scott McDowell wrote: Hi I presently own an Elecraft hex key and a speedex straight key, but have been thinking about buying a vibroplex bug to use in contest that don't allow electronic keyers. It's been 30 yrs since I have used a Vibroplex bug and was wondering which way it operates. Do you

Re: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Ken W5HYN wrote: FYI, Vibroplex offers an extension arm (called Vari-speed) to slow down their bugs and it makes fine tuning speed easy. I put one on my old Lightning Bug and it will slow down to below 15 wpm. I bought my first bug 55 years ago as a 5 WPM

RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread Ken W5HYN
>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 2:18 PM >To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] List" >Subject: RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug > >I think if I were to buy a new bug today (I've thought about it), I'd >get a VIZ bug rather than a Vibroplex. I believe the VIZ to be a bit >better built an

RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread Darwin, Keith
I think if I were to buy a new bug today (I've thought about it), I'd get a VIZ bug rather than a Vibroplex. I believe the VIZ to be a bit better built and I hear they are more easily used at the slower speeds (15-20 wpm). What contest doesn't allow keyers? Maybe the SKCC sprints? - Keith N1AS

Re: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread John
At 12:00 PM 26/07/07, you wrote: Do you send the dits with the thumb and the dahs with the index finger? Yes. John k7up ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Add

RE: [Elecraft] vibroplex bug

2007-07-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
A "normal" bug of any manufacture uses the thumb for dits and finger for dahs, just like you do now. Some lefties learned to use a normal bug backwards and some lefties bought special left-handed bugs so they could make dits with their thumb and dahs with their finger just like right-handed opera