RE: C-u C-SPC: doc string and behavior if mark = point

2007-04-16 Thread Drew Adams
> Split the run-on sentence that starts "With no prefix" at "; also". > > That was not a run-on sentence. A semicolon is the correct way to > join two independent clauses in one sentence. A run-on sentence is > what results from using a comma for this. 1. It was just a suggestion. 2. I shou

Re: Display problems with 'before-string in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Richard Stallman
My main concern with such an approach is that this will be slow for long multi-line strings filling most of the window. That is an even more unusual case -- and being somewhat slow is not as bad as displaying wrong. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailin

Re: C-u C-SPC: doc string and behavior if mark = point

2007-04-16 Thread Richard Stallman
Split the run-on sentence that starts "With no prefix" at "; also". That was not a run-on sentence. A semicolon is the correct way to join two independent clauses in one sentence. A run-on sentence is what results from using a comma for this. ___

Re: expand-file-name leaves "/../" in expansions at times

2007-04-16 Thread Chong Yidong
Diane Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have no idea if this is a bug or not, but sometimes > `expand-file-name' returns a path with "/../" at the beginning of it. > Below are a few simple examples. C-h f expand-file-name RET expand-file-name is a built-in function in `C source code'. (

expand-file-name leaves "/../" in expansions at times

2007-04-16 Thread Diane Murray
I have no idea if this is a bug or not, but sometimes `expand-file-name' returns a path with "/../" at the beginning of it. Below are a few simple examples. It looks like it might have to do with whether there is an even or odd number of "../" - with an odd amount it seems to return the correct pa

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
> A note: What makes me a bit upset is more that I get the feeling that you > think the bug is unimportant Actually, I do think so: the position where the cursor is displayed when placed on a before-string (or a display string) has always been fairly approximate. E.g. Whether to display it *befor

Re: display margin errors on a tty

2007-04-16 Thread Nick Roberts
> It papers over it. An optimization in dispnew.c gets screwed up when > display margins are present for terminal display. I just checked in a > patch that basically disables the optimization when we are in that > situation. > > So it's not *really* solving the problem. But it's a lot saf

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Lennart Borgman (gmail)
Eli Zaretskii wrote: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:38:14 +0200 From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Eli Zaretskii wrote: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:14:13 +0200 From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Lennart Borgman (gmail)
Eli Zaretskii wrote: Then what arguments are actually convincing to you? At this point in time, just days short of the intented release? Either the bug crashes Emacs, or it does cause trouble for some really major package, or it is very common and/or confusing for many users. And such bugs ar

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:38:14 +0200 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:14:13 +0200 > >> From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:57:44 +0200 > From: "Juanma Barranquero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org > > On 4/16/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Then what arguments are actually convincing to you? > > At this point in time, just days short of the

Re: display margin errors on a tty

2007-04-16 Thread Chong Yidong
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It forces a glyph matrix reallocation after each call to > enlarge_window. The slowdown will be undetectable since redisplay is > so fast on text terminals anyway. > > I think this is a good solution, if it works. It is simple, and it is

Re: mark perl-indent-level and cperl-indent-level as safe ?

2007-04-16 Thread Dan Nicolaescu
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have run into some code that was setting perl-indent-level and > cperl-indent-level as local variables. Should I mark them as safe? > > Please mark them as safe for numeric values. Done. __

Re: mark perl-indent-level and cperl-indent-level as safe ?

2007-04-16 Thread Richard Stallman
I have run into some code that was setting perl-indent-level and cperl-indent-level as local variables. Should I mark them as safe? Please mark them as safe for numeric values. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http:/

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Chong Yidong
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Does drawing cursor in the wrong position on multi-line before-strings >> cause "real trouble"? >> >> Yes. Whenever the cursor is in the wrong position, that is real trouble. >> >> Is the di

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 4/16/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At least that is often a way forward in face-to-face communication. Though one have to say it with an querying voice. Couldn't help but remember this quote from the Subversion developers' list. Several guys were talking about the r

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Lennart Borgman (gmail)
Juanma Barranquero wrote: I was not offended, but saying to your opponent "I suggested reading my arguments" is not "keep[ing your] own opinion", for example. I point it out merely to show that it is easy to cross the line without being aware. Oh, yes it is easy. And I know you have told me a

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Lennart Borgman (gmail)
David Kastrup wrote: I will not be surprised at all if we will see after the release a flood of problem reports currently held back by a large release pain threshold. Uhm. At least I have tried to avoid reporting some bugs now just because it seems useless. We all want a release I guess. _

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim F. Storm) writes: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> It has not been my intent. I do get a bit upset by some type of >> answers and you are right, it is then in the eye of the beholder. I >> can understand if Eli feel a bit hurt. He took long time t

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 4/16/07, Kim F. Storm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO, there are _no weak points_ in Eli's message. Agreed. so we'll probably never see a release, no matter how close we get to one (unless of course, people stop reporting bugs in the pretests, even when they find one). Now that's a good

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Kim F. Storm
Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Does drawing cursor in the wrong position on multi-line before-strings > cause "real trouble"? > > Yes. Whenever the cursor is in the wrong position, that is real trouble. > > Is the display of multi-line before-strings an > "import

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 4/16/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I try to have respect for that more economic reasoning that you are using, but I often fail there. "Economic reasoning" is a good way to see it. Your defense of fixing the bug doesn't seem very convincing, on an (informal, I'm no e

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Kim F. Storm
"Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It has not been my intent. I do get a bit upset by some type of > answers and you are right, it is then in the eye of the beholder. I > can understand if Eli feel a bit hurt. He took long time to write a > long answer and I just pointed to so

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Lennart Borgman (gmail)
Juanma Barranquero wrote: On 4/16/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, I do have an opinion about that. Disrespect is not one of the things I respect. Disrespect is often in the eye of the beholder. I certainly have no trouble detecting disrespect in some of your messag

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 4/16/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, I do have an opinion about that. Disrespect is not one of the things I respect. Disrespect is often in the eye of the beholder. I certainly have no trouble detecting disrespect in some of your messages, but I'm sure you'll dis

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Lennart Borgman (gmail)
Juanma Barranquero wrote: On 4/16/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are getting closer to a serious discussion, thanks. Because you're the arbiter of when a discussion is serious enough? Yes, I do have an opinion about that. Disrespect is not one of the things I re

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 4/16/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We are getting closer to a serious discussion, thanks. Because you're the arbiter of when a discussion is serious enough? Juanma ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pr

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Lennart Borgman (gmail)
Eli Zaretskii wrote: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:14:13 +0200 From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Then what arguments are actually convincing to you? Did you ever managed release of some software product, Lennart? Because if you didn't, then there's r

Re: Display problems with `before-string' in overlay

2007-04-16 Thread Juanma Barranquero
On 4/16/07, Lennart Borgman (gmail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Then what arguments are actually convincing to you? At this point in time, just days short of the intented release? Either the bug crashes Emacs, or it does cause trouble for some really major package, or it is very common and/or c