[Emc-developers] Another query on numerical formats

2014-04-03 Thread andy pugh
This thread raised an interesting question http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/27669-following-error-and-velocity/45528 The user was seeing the f-error switch to exponential notation, not seeing the e in the middle, and assuming e-error spikes. As the hal-status wat

[Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project

2014-04-03 Thread Michael Haberler
We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. Machinekit is an overhaul of the real-time and glue infrastructure which supports LinuxCNC. Machinekit is intended to be broadly applicable to real-time control applications. Non-CNC systems such as general automatio

Re: [Emc-developers] [Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project

2014-04-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 April 2014 15:26, Michael Haberler wrote: > > We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. I have no idea what this means. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto ---

Re: [Emc-developers] Another query on numerical formats

2014-04-03 Thread dave
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 12:02 +0100, andy pugh wrote: > This thread raised an interesting question > http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/27669-following-error-and-velocity/45528 > > The user was seeing the f-error switch to exponential notation, not > seeing the e in t

Re: [Emc-developers] Another query on numerical formats

2014-04-03 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014, dave wrote: > Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 08:28:22 -0700 > From: dave > To: EMC developers > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Another query on numerical formats > > On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 12:02 +0100, andy pugh wrote: >> This thread raised an interesting question >> http://linuxcnc.o

Re: [Emc-developers] [Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project

2014-04-03 Thread Bas Laarhoven
On 3-4-2014 17:20, andy pugh wrote: > On 3 April 2014 15:26, Michael Haberler wrote: >> We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. > I have no idea what this means. > Progress (I hope). --

Re: [Emc-developers] Another query on numerical formats

2014-04-03 Thread Frank P Bufton
I like a fixed point option, Having it switch while watching in real time makes it difficult to follow. Frank From: "Peter C. Wallace" To: dengv...@charter.net, EMC developers , Date: 04/03/2014 10:43 AM Subject:Re: [Emc-developers] Another query on numerical format

Re: [Emc-developers] Another query on numerical formats

2014-04-03 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/03/2014 06:02 AM, andy pugh wrote: > This thread raised an interesting question > http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/27669-following-error-and-velocity/45528 > > The user was seeing the f-error switch to exponential notation, not > seeing the e in the middle, a

Re: [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project

2014-04-03 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/03/2014 09:26 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: > We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. > > Oh MY! World War III, here we go! Jon -- ___

Re: [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project

2014-04-03 Thread Niemand Sonst
I wish both projects the very best, as I beleave both sides have there right to exist. The future will show what the user likes more. From my side I will try to go on with gmoccapy and my new baby luminos. It may cost a little bit more work, but I would be glade if my GUI would be in both proje

[Emc-developers] Possibly dumb question about NML buffer size

2014-04-03 Thread Robert Ellenberg
Hi All, Is there a hard limit on the size of the NML buffers defined in linuxcnc.nml? If not, does anyone know if increasing the buffer size leads to a performance hit on a modern PC? I couldn't find much info on how the channel buffer sizes were chosen on the web. Thanks, Rob ---

Re: [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project

2014-04-03 Thread Ian McMahon
I, for one, welcome our new machine-kit-controlled robot overlords :D Ian (ssi) On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 04/03/2014 09:26 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: >> We are pleased to announce the formation of the Machinekit project [1][2][3]. >> >> > Oh MY! World War III, here

[Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread Gene Heskett
I can recall, at least a year ago, building a xenomai enabled kernel on my severely flea weight iron laptop, which has a 1400Mhz turion cpu in it, and being rather surprised at what it was able to do at the time. Latencies were shall we say acceptable. But not having a parport, it was basicall

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 April 2014 18:57, Gene Heskett wrote: > It sure would be nice if I could run a sim mode on this machine... If you want to run in sim mode you don't need any kind of realtime kernel at all. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 April 2014 14:31:29 andy pugh did opine: > On 3 April 2014 18:57, Gene Heskett wrote: > > It sure would be nice if I could run a sim mode on this machine... > > If you want to run in sim mode you don't need any kind of realtime > kernel at all. Attempting to run this mornings 2.5

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 April 2014 19:48, Gene Heskett wrote: > Attempting to run this mornings 2.5.3 update, I get a requester to please > reboot to the 2.6.32-rtai kernel: [copy/paste] 2.5.3 doesn't run on Xenomai. Neither will 2.6. 2.7 might, but I won't be holding my breath. If you want to run in sim mode on

Re: [Emc-developers] [Emc-users] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project

2014-04-03 Thread Stuart Stevenson
> Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:09:33 -0500 > From: Jon Elson > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] [ANNOUNCE] Machinekit project > To: EMC developers > Message-ID: <533d95cd.8010...@pico-systems.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 04/03/2014 09:26 AM, Mic

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 April 2014 15:58:48 andy pugh did opine: > On 3 April 2014 19:48, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Attempting to run this mornings 2.5.3 update, I get a requester to > > please reboot to the 2.6.32-rtai kernel: [copy/paste] > > 2.5.3 doesn't run on Xenomai. Neither will 2.6. 2.7 might, but

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 April 2014 20:59, Gene Heskett wrote: >> If you want to run in sim mode on a normal kernel then you need a >> dedicated sim build, as are available from the buildbot. > > At what link? I wasn't even aware it was a separate build. http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org Choose your flavour of "simula

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 April 2014 18:01:44 andy pugh did opine: > On 3 April 2014 20:59, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> If you want to run in sim mode on a normal kernel then you need a > >> dedicated sim build, as are available from the buildbot. > > > > At what link? I wasn't even aware it was a separate b

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 April 2014 18:19:29 Gene Heskett did opine: > On Thursday 03 April 2014 18:01:44 andy pugh did opine: > > On 3 April 2014 20:59, Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> If you want to run in sim mode on a normal kernel then you need a > > >> dedicated sim build, as are available from the buildb

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 03 April 2014 18:40:05 Gene Heskett did opine: > On Thursday 03 April 2014 18:19:29 Gene Heskett did opine: > > On Thursday 03 April 2014 18:01:44 andy pugh did opine: > > > On 3 April 2014 20:59, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > >> If you want to run in sim mode on a normal kernel then you

Re: [Emc-developers] Possibly dumb question about NML buffer size

2014-04-03 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 04/03/2014 11:23 AM, Robert Ellenberg wrote: > Is there a hard limit on the size of the NML buffers defined in > linuxcnc.nml? If not, does anyone know if increasing the buffer size leads > to a performance hit on a modern PC? I couldn't find much info on how the > channel buffer sizes were chos

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:43:21PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > More gr. Seems google tells me it doesn't exist until 12.04.3. Seb did the work of backporting libmodbus5 to lucid (and hardy!) to make this easy for people who don't want to upgrade. Knowing this I was able to find instructi

Re: [Emc-developers] Possibly dumb question about NML buffer size

2014-04-03 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
My understanding is the size is basically the size of the shared memory block. It needs to be as big as the largest message that is sent between processes. Since linuxcnc works with a queue depth of 1, increasing above that max msg size (15k I think) does nothing. Go below the max message size,

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 April 2014 02:19:44 Chris Radek did opine: > On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:43:21PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > More gr. Seems google tells me it doesn't exist until 12.04.3. > > Seb did the work of backporting libmodbus5 to lucid (and hardy!) to > make this easy for people who d

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai build, sorta recent kernel

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
On 2014-04-04 06:04, Chris Radek wrote: > On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:43:21PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> More gr. Seems google tells me it doesn't exist until 12.04.3. > Seb did the work of backporting libmodbus5 to lucid (and hardy!) to > make this easy for people who don't want to upgrade