Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 12:20, andy pugh wrote: > I tried to install Buster on my mill controller to have another test system. > Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. Nor does stretch (4.9.0.7 kernel) Interesting. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 14:52, Reinhard wrote: > I realized, that the BIOS does not support USB, although it claimes to do so. > I wasn't able to install from usb or use usb-keyboards ... I can use USB keyboards in grub and in the BIOS screen, so I think it has to support USB. (It has no PS/2

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-24 Thread Reinhard
Hi Andy, On Freitag, 24. April 2020, 13:20:53 CEST andy pugh wrote: > I tried to install Buster on my mill controller to have another test system. > Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. > The board is fairly old, ... I have similar board (guess its from Asus) with Atom-CPU too, where I have

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 17:58, René Hopf via Emc-developers wrote: > I added the EOL date of the official distros to the wiki: > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions > Notice that only stretch and buster are not near end of life. I tried to install Buster on my mill

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-20 Thread René Hopf via Emc-developers
> > > Drop support for anything earlier than Stretch in master, and as soon as > > python3 support is working, drop support for python2 in master. > > Python2 is EOL since January, and it's not feasible to support both. > > I suggest instead only dropping support for Ubuntu 12.04 Precise in >

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-20 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 4/20/20 5:34 AM, andy pugh wrote: There is one point to remember here: Does preempt-rt work on 32-bit machines? Our only good support for 32-bit is the Wheezy / RTAI ISO. RT-Preempt works well on 32-bit Stretch, it's how i run my Bridgeport. I use Mesa hardware, I haven't tried software

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-20 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 4/19/20 10:58 AM, René Hopf via Emc-developers wrote: I added the EOL date of the official distros to the wiki: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions Notice that only stretch and buster are not near end of life. Thanks, that's helpful info! I've seen a

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-20 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 13:09, Gene Heskett wrote: > Because no one has found and touted a replacement for the D-525-MW yet? There are many potential replacements for that (old) board, and it runs 64bit anyway. (see the benchmarks here: https://browser.geekbench.com/geekbench2/1523128 ) -- atp

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 20 April 2020 07:34:19 andy pugh wrote: > There is one point to remember here: > Does preempt-rt work on 32-bit machines? > Our only good support for 32-bit is the Wheezy / RTAI ISO. > RTAI for 4.0+ kernels is 64-bit only. > > It might be that preempt-rt is a good solution for such

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-20 Thread andy pugh
There is one point to remember here: Does preempt-rt work on 32-bit machines? Our only good support for 32-bit is the Wheezy / RTAI ISO. RTAI for 4.0+ kernels is 64-bit only. It might be that preempt-rt is a good solution for such machines, I simply don't know. (And this comes back to the "why

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Chris Morley
Since you addressed me directly. :) On 2020-04-19 8:02 p.m., Robert Murphy wrote: Whilst I agree with you Chris, people just want updates, without really knowing why. This could be the case when users migrate from Windows & Mach, but then gain how often does Mach get upgraded ? Personally if I

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Robert Murphy
elopers Sent: April 19, 2020 4:58 PM To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: René Hopf Subject: [Emc-developers] old distros Hi, I added the EOL date of the official distros to the wiki: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions Notice that only stretch and buster a

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Chris Morley
On 2020-04-19 2:02 p.m., andy pugh wrote: On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:47, Chris Morley wrote: If it is easy enough to keep support of an old distro then why not? We are being squeezed at both ends, though. LinuxCNC relies on tools (and versions of tools) that don't work on the latest OS

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Chris Morley
On 2020-04-19 2:14 p.m., mar...@r-bechtold.de wrote: Am 19.04.2020 um 22:46 schrieb Chris Morley : On 2020-04-19 1:07 p.m., mar...@r-bechtold.de wrote: the problem is that this distros are that old and EOL that you even can not just install it, do to missing repo servers that are shut

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread mar...@r-bechtold.de
> Am 19.04.2020 um 22:46 schrieb Chris Morley : > > > On 2020-04-19 1:07 p.m., mar...@r-bechtold.de wrote: >> the problem is that this distros are that old and EOL that you even can not >> just install it, do to missing repo servers that are shut off > If it's an already installed version

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 21:46, Chris Morley wrote: > (because > master does not support wheezy and 2.8 and master where very close ) Master supports Precise. Wheezy is newer than Precise. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 19:47, Chris Morley wrote: > If it is easy enough to keep support of an old distro then why not? We are being squeezed at both ends, though. LinuxCNC relies on tools (and versions of tools) that don't work on the latest OS versions. Whereas the older OS versions don't

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Chris Morley
On 2020-04-19 1:07 p.m., mar...@r-bechtold.de wrote: the problem is that this distros are that old and EOL that you even can not just install it, do to missing repo servers that are shut off If it's an already installed version then they don't need the repo. You have to program around

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread mar...@r-bechtold.de
nt: April 19, 2020 7:10 PM > To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] old distros > > On 19.04.20 20:47, Chris Morley wrote: >> Why does end of life matter to a machine controller? > > It doesn't. It matters for the developers. >

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Chris Morley
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] old distros On 19.04.20 20:47, Chris Morley wrote: > Why does end of life matter to a machine controller? It doesn't. It matters for the developers. > If it is easy enough to keep support of an old distro then why not? Because it isn't. > One option

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread René Hopf via Emc-developers
urceforge.net < > emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> > Cc: René Hopf > Subject: [Emc-developers] old distros > > Hi, > > I added the EOL date of the official distros to the wiki: > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions > Notice th

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Sync
On 19.04.20 20:47, Chris Morley wrote: > Why does end of life matter to a machine controller? It doesn't. It matters for the developers. > If it is easy enough to keep support of an old distro then why not? Because it isn't. > One optional driver not compiling does not seem a good reason to

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Chris Morley
Subject: [Emc-developers] old distros Hi, I added the EOL date of the official distros to the wiki: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions Notice that only stretch and buster are not near end of life. Recently there have been 2 PRs with code that doesn’t work on old

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread René Hopf via Emc-developers
if you use 2.8, keep using it on whatever you currently have. if you want to use master, and we decide to drop support we will have to make sure there are isos when 2.9 is released. Am So., 19. Apr. 2020 um 20:21 Uhr schrieb Gene Heskett < ghesk...@shentel.net>: > On Sunday 19 April 2020

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 19 April 2020 13:55:28 René Hopf via Emc-developers wrote: > no one forces you to update, you can just stick with 2.8. > if you do want to update, update to buster. > Where is the install iso? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap,

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread René Hopf via Emc-developers
no one forces you to update, you can just stick with 2.8. if you do want to update, update to buster. Am So., 19. Apr. 2020 um 19:51 Uhr schrieb Gene Heskett < ghesk...@shentel.net>: > On Sunday 19 April 2020 12:58:13 René Hopf via Emc-developers wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I added the EOL date of

Re: [Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 19 April 2020 12:58:13 René Hopf via Emc-developers wrote: > Hi, > > I added the EOL date of the official distros to the wiki: > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions > Notice that only stretch and buster are not near end of life. > > Recently there have been

[Emc-developers] old distros

2020-04-19 Thread René Hopf via Emc-developers
Hi, I added the EOL date of the official distros to the wiki: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions Notice that only stretch and buster are not near end of life. Recently there have been 2 PRs with code that doesn’t work on old compilers.