Fwd: Your account at MindCruiser KES has been terminated

2001-06-29 Thread Jim Bacher
Some of you may have received the message below and you were no doubt at a loss as to why your KES account was terminated. Or more importantly, why you even had a MindCruiser KES account. So I thought I would fill in some details for you. As Oscar mentioned in a recently e-mail, we have been

Re: LCD Monitors etc.

2001-06-29 Thread John Woodgate
200106291102_mc3-d7ac-3...@compuserve.com, Cortland Richmond 72146@compuserve.com inimitably wrote: the FCC H pattern is designed to generate a periodic signal as the electron beam is swept across the screen and turned on and off. Indeed, but it is an unrealistically severe operating

Re: Immunity requirements outside europe?

2001-06-29 Thread John Woodgate
00a001c100a4$f710e280$38581...@memotec.com, David Gelfand gelf...@memotec.com inimitably wrote: What other countries besides CE have immunity requirements similar to EN 55024 or EN 50082? Consider that you can gain a marketing advantage by stressing the immunity characteristics of your product,

Re. Product Safety Testing of transformer

2001-06-29 Thread Hans Mellberg
Fellow listers; If you are aware of a laboratory(ies) in the SF Bay Area that can perform safety testing on transformers, please email me off-list with contact info. An urgent situation warrants a quick turn-around. Thanks in advance = Best Regards Hans Mellberg Regulatory Compliance EMC

Re: EN 55024 Annex A.1 - update

2001-06-29 Thread Ron Pickard
Hi David, You asked/stated: Caps to ground can not be greater than .022 uF for FCC impedance to ground during ringing limit of 100k ohms, it will still pass FCC leakage current test at 6.8 mV @ 1000V. Have I missed anything about impact of caps to ground for European requirements? Don't

RE: Certificate of Incorporation???

2001-06-29 Thread Dick Grobner
FYI - In the state of Minnesota they refer to this document as Article of Incorporation and not Certificate of Incorporation. I confirmed by checking ours. -Original Message- From: Clement Dave-LDC009 [mailto:dave.clem...@motorola.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 3:59 PM To: 'Veit,

Re: LCD Monitors etc.

2001-06-29 Thread Cortland Richmond
Some monitors from the 1990's WILL meet class B with small H's. I know; I've done it! At a former job (gad, we use that a lot!) we were able to get monitors scrolling H's in high resolution to pass Class B. Sometimes it took modifications, which the manufacturer would copy, but it could be done.

Re: LCD Monitors etc.

2001-06-29 Thread Cortland Richmond
=There really ARE Class B computers, but you have to work to make them, and you have to look to FIND them. I've worked on some of them. Between CRT's and LCD's, the generators are different, but the levels are not necessarily lower for an LCD. A CRT has a fairly powerful, high frequency

EN 55024 Annex A.1 - update

2001-06-29 Thread David Gelfand
Hello, I finally passed rf conducted immunity on my telephone cards! As it turned out, not only the telephone card using the Legerity 79R70 was demodulating but also, the card towards the network using a Mitel/Zarlink MH88437AD-P. To each card I added a common mode choke (TDK ZJYS51R5-2PB),

Re: Immunity requirements outside europe?

2001-06-29 Thread JPR3
In a message dated 6/29/01, David Gelfand writes: What other countries besides CE have immunity requirements similar to EN 55024 or EN 50082? Korea is one example. I think Singapore is phasing in some immunity requirements. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc.

RE: LCD Monitors etc.

2001-06-29 Thread Darrell Locke
Passive LCD monitors can be quiet. However, most new monitors I have seen use active matrix Thin Film Transistor (TFT) technologoy which provides a better picture but are considerably worse for emissions. If you compare the two technologies you will see the reason. This has been consistent

Re: Conducted Emissions Test in Telephones

2001-06-29 Thread Muriel Bittencourt de Liz
Joe and Group, Thanks for your answers. But I think I should refine some points where I still have some doubts. I'll try to put my doubts in topic mode, for a matter of clarity: - The case is this: I have a Telephone Set (wired to the Public Telephony Network). And I'd like to sell it to

Immunity requirements outside europe?

2001-06-29 Thread David Gelfand
What other countries besides CE have immunity requirements similar to EN 55024 or EN 50082? Thank you, David. David Gelfand Regulatory Approvals Memotec Communications Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical

RE: LCD Monitors etc.

2001-06-29 Thread Chris Maxwell
I have had similar experience. Not experimenting with LCD's themselves, but testing products with LCD's. Most of the ones that I have experience with have a metal back plate. It seems that it's important to bond this plate peripherally to your casework shielding. That keeps the circuits

Re: LCD Monitors etc.

2001-06-29 Thread David Heald
Greetings all, At a former job, I actually performed many scans of LCD monitors from many 'unnamed' manufacturers and found them to be different from normal CRT's for emissions purposes. The LCD's would incorporate fast (for monitors) clocks for processing. I have seen clocks anywhere from 65

RE: Pre-amps for EMC Use

2001-06-29 Thread Michael . Sundstrom
You need to use a bandwidth of 1MHz above 1GHz remember. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your

RE: World-wide approvals radio transmitters

2001-06-29 Thread Wismer, Sam
Amund, 1. Europe - Contact a Notified Body 2. US - FCC. Consult an FCC/IC recognized test lab in the US. Use the following link to find a test lab. https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/index.html 3. Canada - Industry Canada. Use same lab as for FCC. Make sure they can do both. 4. Japan -

Re: LCD Monitors etc.

2001-06-29 Thread Lfresearch
George, I did a number of experiments on 15 monitors for a machine HMI. They are indeed quiet, but there is quite a difference between manufacturers. Most of the problems I had to fix were related to leakage through the display from circuitry behind it. Derek.

RE: LCD Monitors etc.

2001-06-29 Thread Geoff Lister
George, The LCD itself does not usually use high voltages, but most are supplied with a fluorescent tube backlight. This is usually driven by a high-frequency (50+ kHz) oscillator with an output designed to deliver an open circuit voltage in the low kilovolt range to strike the tube, followed by

Re: EN61000-4-6 and GFI

2001-06-29 Thread John Woodgate
3b3bf7e4.3100a...@prodigy.net, Steve Brody sbr...@prodigy.net inimitably wrote: For products (this one is a chiller) using a GFI or Earth Leakage Circuit Breakers what are your recommendations for passing EN 61000-4-6?. What is allowed concerning disconnecting the neutral sensing wire? First of

Re: Examples of EMC problems in the real world

2001-06-29 Thread Wan Juang Foo
I was thinking more about radiated emission (30 Mhz-1 GHz) that is enhanced by cables. For some interesting results reported by Douglas Smith (cir. 1999 ) see: http://emcesd.com/tt120199.htm Effectively it is half (?) a turn if a ferrite clamp-cores are used, hence a distributed :-) Tim Foo,

EN61000-4-6 and GFI

2001-06-29 Thread Steve Brody
Group: I am posting a question for and from a colleague:. For products (this one is a chiller) using a GFI or Earth Leakage Circuit Breakers what are your recommendations for passing EN 61000-4-6?. What is allowed concerning disconnecting the neutral sensing wire? Thanks in advance.

Re: Pre-amps for EMC Use

2001-06-29 Thread Wan Juang Foo
List, I would suggest a noise budget calculation for a EMC bandwidth of 120 kHz before you proceed. You may need to consider mounting the pre-amp on the test (receiving) antenna and in such case consider the possibility of ESD damage during set up. cheers :-) Tim Foo,

LCD Monitors etc.

2001-06-29 Thread George Stults
Hello All, I have theorized that a Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) monitors should have less radiated emission than a comparabe CRT (same viewing area) since there is no high voltage tube and high powered oscillators, etc. I am wondering if anyone can confirm or deny this rumor based on actual

Re: Reconditioned Equip

2001-06-29 Thread John Woodgate
EDFA411E5E4AD2118D6F00A0C99E4BAC0386AF2E@FLBOCEXU02, wo...@sensormatic.com inimitably wrote: No, if the equipment was placed on the market prior to 2001 and was compliant with the requirements in place at that time. Refurbished equipment may be resold forever based upon the CE requirements at the