Re: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Peter, A tin whisker problem, perhaps? Printed circuit boards (PCB's) assembled with lead-free solders and lead-free platings can exhibit some hitherto-almost-unknown failure modes: * Tin whiskers. * Tin pest (tin plague, tin leprosy, tin disease, tin blight). * Kirkendall voids. * Sensiti

RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Ed: In my experience, with a fire of that size, I would guess that identification of the make, let alone model, phone would be difficult, even for an experienced investigator from the phone manufacturer. If the phone was the cause, then it would be the "hot spot" of the fire. The

RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The injury was worse because most of the victim's clothing was nylon. Cotton would have ignited and burned more slowly and not turned into a sticky molten mass. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/

Re: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <4461.64.9.83.7.1168975265.squir...@www.ntcnet.com>, dated Tue, 16 Jan 2007, cb...@ntcnet.com writes >I don't care what you guys think...I now have a solid reason to tell my >12 year old daughter why I don't think she should have her own cell >phone > >:-) These days, that counts as

Re: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Tue, 16 Jan 2007, don_borow...@selinc.com writes >Offer her a clunky old cell phone with a NiCd or NiMH battery, for her >own safety (seems to me there were fewer battery fires back then). She >probably won't want it because it is too big and old to be cool ;-). Just like Da

Re: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The risk with your approach is that it may be so "retro" that it becomes cool again. Besides, the use of the term "cool" is telling on you. Oscar Don_Borowski@SELI

Re: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Offer her a clunky old cell phone with a NiCd or NiMH battery, for her own safety (seems to me there were fewer battery fires back then). She probably won't want it because it is too big and old to be cool ;-). Donald Borowski Schweitzer Engineering Labs Pullman, WA, USA

Re: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I don't care what you guys think...I now have a solid reason to tell my 12 year old daughter why I don't think she should have her own cell phone :-) Chris Maxwell, M.Sc Design Engineer Critical Imaging LLC > I am highly dubious. Let suppose you are doing a Richard Pryor, i.e. > free basing, and

Re: EMC Test Programs - Alternate Components

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Tue, 16 Jan 2007, Richard Pittenger writes >        We design and manufacture commercial kitchen appliances, some >of which are exported to the European Union. We're, therefore, >obligated to submit these products to outside vendors for testing to >emission (BS EN 61000-6-3

EMC Test Programs - Alternate Components

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello EMC Experts, We design and manufacture commercial kitchen appliances, some of which are exported to the European Union. We're, therefore, obligated to submit these products to outside vendors for testing to emission (BS EN 61000-6-3) and immunity (BS EN 61000-6-1) EMC test programs

Re: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I am highly dubious. Let suppose you are doing a Richard Pryor, i.e. free basing, and you burn up the place, and there could be criminal liability, what are you going to tell the cops? Fred Townsend James, Chris wrote: Could it be the phone was beyond recognition?? Regards, Chris __

RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Could it be the phone was beyond recognition?? Regards, Chris _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price, Ed Sent: 16 January 2007 16:47 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body From: Brian O'Conne

Re: Taiwan approval label

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Any one of six Recognized Certification Bodies listed from the DGT web site ( http://www.dgt.gov.tw/chinese/Type-appr val/8.2-Telecom-Terminal-Equipment/8.2.5/Rec-TTE-Body-3661.shtml ) will p

RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:21 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body dead link, try this: http://www.nbc11.com/news/10753602/detail.html I find it interesting that the Vallejo

Re: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Note the cell phone is incidental, it is the battery that is the ignition source in the cited accident. Another scenario where a cell phone would have been blamed. I watched a woman filling her car with gas blithely chatting away while gas spilled out of her full tank and covered the asphalt all o

RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
dead link, try this: http://www.nbc11.com/news/10753602/detail.html > -Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Tarver, > Peter > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:42 AM > To: Tarver, Peter > Subject: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half

RE: Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The tinyurl somehow didn't survive 20 minutes. Below is the long form of the URL of an Associate Press release. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,243888,00.html Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE ptar...@ieee.org > > From: "Tarver, Peter" > > Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:41:47 -0800 > > To: "Tarve

Cell Phone Catches Fire, Burns Man Over Half His Body

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
A bit dubious at first glance, but not impossible. It will be interesting to see how the forensics actually pans out. http://tinyurl.com/ybapk Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE ptar...@ieee.org CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail message and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the address

Taiwan approval label

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi all I have a Bluetooth product which is going to be approved in Taiwan. The product is a small headset and there are a lot of approval information which have to be on the product worldwide. Therefore we are trying to reduce this and identifying which can be added to manuals and package instead

RE: Removing soldermask from pads

2007-01-16 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Have you approached your pcb vendor? However the chemistry which will remove cured resist is not very friendly. I would assume the pads in question are just on the solder side. A PCB vendor could perhaps run the boards through a pumice or wire brush machine and then rework the solder side, re-res