Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread T.Sato
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:44:29 GMT, Brian Gregory wrote: ... > We are building EV Chargers for residential markets (not just US) > and one of the safety applicable standards is UL 2231-2. It calls > out IEC 61000-4-3 for immunity testing parameters, which states a > requirement for a field

Re: [PSES] Simulation of signal source under a pwb shield

2023-07-21 Thread Brent DeWitt
Hi Chaz, My thought is that concern over the simulated antenna can be neglected if the the source is "electrically short dipole" at the frequency of interest.  Simulating with the radiated field from such a source, with and without the shield, at a far field distance, should give you a

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread Brent DeWitt
Like John, I have no idea why a "medical electrical device" standard has gotten tangled up with EV chargers.  I was one of the authors of the 2nd edition of the IEC standard, and the only devices under that standard that weren't patient connected were systems that connected those devices to

Re: [PSES] Simulation of signal source under a pwb shield

2023-07-21 Thread Ken Javor
Speaking in general – not acquainted with any work specific to your concern. The real antenna is/are the IC (s) covered by the shield, and any internal connections between them. If you properly simulate that, you need not worry about the effect of the shield on the antenna, because it

Re: [PSES] Simulation of signal source under a pwb shield

2023-07-21 Thread John Woodgate
I suggest that a suitable source for evaluating the shielding effectiveness of a BLS is a multivibrator (square-wave source), with attention to rise and fall times: not too slow and not ridiculously fast. It's more representative of emitting sources than a canned antenna.

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread John Woodgate
Well, obviously 60601-1-2 doesn't apply, unless some clown claims that EV chargers are medical devices. The higher limits in 60601-1-2 for home healthcare are probably due to the expected absence of immediate intervention when a medical device misbehaves.

[PSES] Simulation of signal source under a pwb shield

2023-07-21 Thread Chas Grasso
Hello experts and gurus!! I need to simulate the performance of a BLS (board level shield) and I am considering using the IEEE Std 2716-2022 IEEE Guide for the Characterization of the Effectiveness of Printed Circuit Board Level Shielding document. This document is however an adaptation of the

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread Scott Aldous
Hi Brian, The UL standard actually references IEC 61000-4-3 only for the test method. Per the UL standard, the test level, 20 V/m, comes from EN 60601-1-2, which is the CENELEC EMC standard for medical devices. Per this article

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread bart . de . geeter
Hi Brian, Just for your information, in Europe residential EV chargers (for charging an EV with AC voltage), typically needs to fulfill the requirements of EN 61851-21-2 (product standard for off-board EV chargers). In this standard you will find the applicable test levels for immunity

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2023-07-21 Thread John Woodgate
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Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread Ken Javor
FCC Part B has nothing to do with immunity. It protects radio receivers.  20 V/m simply means they are taking into account higher power or closer rf transmitters. Your cell phone, transmitting at 0.5 W, theoretically can generate 5 V/m a meter away.  That will scale up in closer, although the

[PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread Brian Gregory
Hello colleagues, We are building EV Chargers for residential markets (not just US) and one of the safety applicable standards is UL 2231-2. It calls out IEC 61000-4-3 for immunity testing parameters, which states a requirement for a field strength of 20V/m. Our EMC expert says typically