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2005-06-22 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Dave, Thanks for your information. Since the local regulatory body set both E-Field AND H-Field limit for frequency range under 195kHz. But as I know, for all radiated emission measurement under 30MHz should use loop antenna, so I use EMCO 6502 for E and H- fields measurement. The spectr

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2005-06-22 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Dave, We have run the measurements at 300 m, 30 m, and 10 m and found the fall off of 1/R^3 apply because the magnetic field is being measured using a loop antenna. The far field E field rule does not apply for a magnetic field. Regards, Frank de Vall Sr. Engineering Manager - Compliance Assa A

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2005-06-22 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Derek, in regards to the magnetic field measurement from 50 kHz to 1 GHz: You can figure that your measurement is in the far-field when the distance is >1/6 wavelength. At a distance of 10 meters this occurs above 5 MHz. So above 5 MHz the field will drop as 1/d and the difference between 300

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2005-06-24 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Don Umbdenstock posted > and one will not be able to measure the H field of a loop source of 50 kHz in the far field. << >From a "former life" I recall we never once saw a VDE 0871 H-field emission >from our computers. Still had to look! Cortland Richmond KA5S This message is from the IEEE Pro

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2005-06-24 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
6 -0400 > To: ieee pstc list > Subject: Re: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measurement. > > Ken Javor wrote > >>> The only practical solution is to use a > probe that looks like the one the victim of rfi is going to be using, > connected to a receiver of equal

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2005-06-24 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
stin, TX). IMO, such test would only be for very special circumstances and do not warrant standardization as routine requirements. > From: Bob Richards > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 05:04:55 -0700 (PDT) > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: Re: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measu

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2005-06-24 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
ck Manager Compliance Engineering Tyco Safety Products / Sensormatic 6600 Congress Avenue Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA 561.912.6440 djumbdenst...@tycoint.com From: Bob Richards [mailto:b...@toprudder.com] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:05 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: ??? RE: ??? RE: Ne

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2005-06-24 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Ken, I'm no expert, but as I understand it, making measurements at low frequencies, measured in the near field, it is possible to have a very high E-field and very low H-field if the radiating source is high impedance. The opposite is true if the radiating source is low impedance, ie: high H-field

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2005-06-24 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Ken Javor wrote >> The only practical solution is to use a probe that looks like the one the victim of rfi is going to be using, connected to a receiver of equal to or greater sensitivity than the victim, and similar bandwidth, and verify that the level of rfi at a particular separation is suffic

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2005-06-24 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
; To: ieee pstc list > Subject: RE: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measurement. > > Bob Heller asked: > >>> How would one go about accurately measuring low frequency fields say at > 10 > kHz where the far-field even at lambda/6 is 5000 meters? << > > Ac

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2005-06-24 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
table antenna is only appropriate if a far field measurement is possible. From: "Iain Summers" List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:44:27 +0100 To: Subject: Re: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measurement. Ken very succinctly put. I believe it was me t

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2005-06-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
demic because politicians don't do EMC. Iain - Original Message - From: Ken Javor <mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com> To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Re: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measurement. There is a significant over-

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2005-06-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
e probe to get an amplitude data point." From: neve...@comcast.net List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:56:33 +0000 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measurement. By measuring the E and H components separately, using near-fiel

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2005-06-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Bob Heller asked: >> How would one go about accurately measuring low frequency fields say at 10 kHz where the far-field even at lambda/6 is 5000 meters? << Accuracy and what regulatory authorities require are not always the same thing. It isn't hard to measure the magnetic field accurately, given

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2005-06-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
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2005-06-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
dder.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:06 AM > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: Re: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measurement. > > Ken, > > I believe you are correct. There should be factors for this > loop antenna from Emco that convert the raw reading (in dBuv) > to a

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2005-06-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
> -Original Message- > From: Bob Richards [ mailto:b...@toprudder.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 7:06 AM > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: Re: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measurement. > > Ken, > > I believe you are correct. There should

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2005-06-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
hards > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:05:43 -0700 (PDT) > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: Re: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measurement. > > Ken, > > I believe you are correct. There should be factors for > this loop antenna from Emco that convert the raw > reading (in

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2005-06-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
oyitg.com > Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field > measurement. > > > Dear Dave, > > Thanks for your information. > > Since the local regulatory body set both E-Field AND > H-Field limit for > frequency range under 195kHz. But as

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2005-06-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:41:41 +0800 (CST) To: fdev...@assaabloyitg.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: ??? RE: ??? RE: Near field H-field measurement. Dear Dave, Thanks for your information. Since the local regulatory body set both E-Field AND H-Field limit for