Bill, John, et al -
I subscribe at work with very nice bandwidth at no direct
cost to me and yet I fully support your position. Indeed a
quick perusal of the official posting policy for the list,
presented below, makes the point. I dislike even e-cards
attached to e-mails to the list.
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Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:19 AM
To: Tyra, John; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Comment re: RE: SV: NRTL in the U.S.
In message 418fbd441c22d5118d860003470d43160543f...@cupid.bose.com
Tyra, John writes:
Attached is an article from the Conformity 2002 Annual Guide
In message 418fbd441c22d5118d860003470d43160543f...@cupid.bose.com
Tyra, John writes:
Attached is an article from the Conformity 2002 Annual Guide titled Know
When You Need To List Your Product And When You Don't written by John
Curtis of Curtis- Strauss LLC. It gives some great
I read in !emc-pstc that Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no wrote
(in lfenjlpmmjbmhpeibnilmebgckaa.am...@westin-emission.no) about 'SV:
SV: NRTL in the U.S.' on Fri, 17 Jan 2003:
The electrical safety legislation seems to be a bit more complicated in U.S.
compared to EU.
A very great deal
I read in !emc-pstc that drcuthbert drcuthb...@micron.com wrote (in
cfefa50c9bcad21197470001fa7eba6b14121...@ntexchange05.micron.com)
about 'SV: NRTL in the U.S.' on Fri, 17 Jan 2003:
For example, UL 60950 the same as EN 60950.
Are you sure? I agree that much of the content is the same, but I
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: SV: SV: NRTL in the U.S.
I would never dare to declare U.S. compliance without testing and certify
via a NRTL. But what I am struggling with, is to gain knowledge about the
basic electrical safety laws in U.S. Maybe I do not need legally to go
through a NRTL
Subject: RE: SV: NRTL in the U.S.
Amund,
Several EU standards have been harmonized with the United States UL
standards. A list can be found at
http://ulstandardsinfonet.ul.com/catalog/stdscatframe.html
For example, UL 60950 the same as EN 60950. So, I'm thinking that if your
device meets EU safety
Amund,
I think early on you mentioned that you didn't want to be restricted
where
you could sell. So if that's the bottom line then I think its off the NRTL you
go. Even given the single condition of the City of LA which not only requires
it (or a City of LA inspection where they claim
:
mo.ieee.org Subject: RE: SV: NRTL in
the U.S
it through UL as long it
has been designed to a harmonized standard. Does this sound reasonable to
anyone or am I off the mark?
Dave Cuthbert
From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:25 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: SV: SV: NRTL in the U.S
: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Emne: Re: SV: NRTL in the U.S.
I read in !emc-pstc that Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no wrote
(in lfenjlpmmjbmhpeibnilaeapckaa.am...@westin-emission.no) about 'SV:
NRTL in the U.S.' on Fri, 17 Jan 2003:
Just for a few seconds forget the customers
I read in !emc-pstc that Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no wrote
(in lfenjlpmmjbmhpeibnilaeapckaa.am...@westin-emission.no) about 'SV:
NRTL in the U.S.' on Fri, 17 Jan 2003:
Just for a few seconds forget the customers requirements, is it therefore a
correct interpretation that electrical
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Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
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gr...@test4safety.com
Sendt: 15. januar 2003 21:23
Til: 'Rich Nute'
Kopi: 'Product Safety Technical Committee'
Emne: RE: NRTL in the U.S
: NRTL in the U.S.
Hi Rich,
I argue with some of your statements. :-)
Thanks - at least I know that I'm alive and not dreaming!
Dave's question - Does this apply to in-house test equipment?
Hi Dave - Good question (Please see attached). I'm sorry
about the file
size but I
Hi Rich,
I argue with some of your statements. :-)
Thanks - at least I know that I'm alive and not dreaming!
Dave's question - Does this apply to in-house test equipment?
Hi Dave - Good question (Please see attached). I'm sorry about the file
size but I took it from the
Hi Gregg:
I argue with some of your statements. :-)
Dave's question - Does this apply to in-house test equipment?
Hi Dave - Good question (Please see attached). I'm sorry about the file
size but I took it from the Department of Labor web site several years ago
when this
Hi Gary:
Rich Nute (I think) wrote and excellent article or e-mail on this not
too
long ago and should be in the archives. Its pretty concise and clear but goes
into some pretty good specifics and the state laws and how they very and you
will find it very helpful.
Unfortunately,
Hello Sam,
Chances are if you are ever involved in a product liability law suit in the
United States that the jury will look at you very unfavorably if your
product is not NRTL Listed. Also, expect that the NRTL will not help defend
you in a law suit even if your product is Listed with them.
-compliance.com
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Sam Davis
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:49 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: NRTL in the U.S.
Another interpretation of the question may be Where is the NRTL requirement
Another interpretation of the question may be Where is the NRTL requirement
strictly enforced? (which is a much larger list than where it is
required.) Where can you get away without a NRTL mark? That depends in
part on the product, the market, and the distribution scheme.
Which brings this
Hello Peter,
This is probably true when an electrician is involved in a product
installation. However, the majority of products that we are dealing with do
not require an electrician to install. They are either installed by the
Customer or a representative of the product manufacturer. The
Hi Dave:
Does this apply to in-house test equipment? That is, equipment that is
built
in-house and remains on site? In the past I have designed in-house
equipment
to meet the safety standards but did not send the equipment out for testing
and certification.
Yes.
If you check
Kervill'; 'Joe P Martin'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: NRTL in the U.S.
Does this apply to in-house test equipment? That is, equipment that is built
in-house and remains on site? In the past I have designed in-house equipment
to meet the safety standards but did not send the equipment out
sorry but you better get writing!
Gary
From: Ronald R. Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:53 AM
To: peter.a.manfredo...@us.ul.com; Joe P Martin
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: NRTL in the U.S.
Hello Peter
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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Joe P Martin
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:22 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: NRTL in the U.S.
Greetings,
As has been discussed in previous threads
To: 'Ronald R. Wellman'; peter.a.manfredo...@us.ul.com; Joe P Martin
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: NRTL in the U.S.
Add Santa Clara County and the Commonwealth of Virginia to that list.
Brian Epstein
Sr Regulatory Compliance Engineer
Veeco
The truth is that an independent licensed electrician will not connect a
product that is not Listed.
In commercial or industrial environments, there may be a Licensed
Professional Engineer on staff, who can approve a product but he takes the
personal liability for Non-Listed products.
Hi Joe:
As has been discussed in previous threads, NRTL Listing is not a
requirement to sell electronic products in the U.S. However, there are
cities, counties, etc. within the U.S. that do require NRTL Listing.
These include Los Angeles and Chicago. Does anyone have
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:50 AM
To: 'Joe P Martin'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: NRTL in the U.S.
Importance: High
Joe,
You are correct that NRTL LISTING is a specified requirement by some cities
and states.
You are incorrect in that all products used where
Joe P
Martin
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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Joe P Martin
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:22 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: NRTL in the U.S.
Greetings,
As has been discussed in previous threads, NRTL Listing
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Greetings,
As has been discussed in previous threads, NRTL Listing is not a
requirement to sell electronic products in the U.S. However, there are
cities, counties, etc. within the U.S. that do require NRTL Listing.
These include Los Angeles and Chicago. Does anyone have a comprehensive
list
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