RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-08 Thread Morse, Earl (E.A.)
Woodgate; Richards, Carl Cc: Ken Javor; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: FCC Immunity Requirements No, the EMC and safety guys are told to make it pass, but don't change anything. :-) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Curt McNamara
> Immunity is critical for anyone involved in safety or systems that can impact the health of individuals. Three examples I know about: Walkie-talkie interference causing control panel malfunction Walkie-talkie interference causing death of an employee. Cell phone usage causing malfunction of pa

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Fri, 2 May 2008, "Heiland, Leo J" writes: >I have to disagree with the statement > >"Only a few enlightened companies build in safety and EMC from Day 1 of >the design phase." > >Many companies rely on already qualified devices for safety and to some >extent EMC. As such

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread John Woodgate
In message <2c0b573b18ce4443bd0a51b829393c10011c4...@de01exm73.ds.mot.com>, dated Fri, 2 May 2008, Luksich Mark-TXP763 writes: >My solution was to hang a regulatory engineer in every development team >from day 1. Then give the team a set of requirements in writing on day >2. With a follow o

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Tarver, Peter
> From: Mark Luksich > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:22 AM > > My solution was to hang a regulatory engineer in every > development team from day 1. I think the Romans just used a sword when they decimated the troops, but hanging probably works just as well. Peter CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Heiland, Leo J
ee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:14 AM To: John Woodgate; Richards, Carl Cc: Ken Javor; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: FCC Immunity Requirements No, the EMC and safety guys are told to make it pass, but don't change anyt

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Luksich Mark-TXP763
ate; Richards, Carl Cc: Ken Javor; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: FCC Immunity Requirements No, the EMC and safety guys are told to make it pass, but don't change anything. :-) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Pettit, Ghery
No, the EMC and safety guys are told to make it pass, but don't change anything. :-) From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:08 AM To: Richards, Carl Cc: Ken Javor; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: FCC Imm

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Fri, 2 May 2008, "Richards, Carl" writes: >only the very poorest newcomer (poorest in the sense of piss poor >planning) would embark upon the design of a product and then discover >that it?s product failed to meet the regs during the testing phase. Pardon? This is standar

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Fri, 2 May 2008, Ken Javor writes: >I don?t understand how the first statement applies to the idea that all >these regulations are a barrier to entry, but just a cost of doing >business to the established players. >  The e-mail had grown to metre-length, so it's a bit diffi

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Richards, Carl
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: FCC Immunity Requirements I don’t understand how the first statement applies to the idea that all these regulations are a barrier to entry, but just a cost of doing business to the established players. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread John Barnes
Ken, > For those of you who live in California, or who have ever traveled > there, just how many health hazards are ?known to the State of > California? ? And what is the rate-of-increase of such postings? One > would come to the conclusion that either the state of California is > much smarter tha

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Ken Javor
: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:08:01 -0400 To: Ken Javor , Conversation: FCC Immunity Requirements Subject: RE: FCC Immunity Requirements Not at all, since the price of any product includes the cost of

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Fri, 2 May 2008, Ken Javor writes: >First, has anyone anywhere bought ten of anything to find one that >works ? Excluding tin-openers, of course. (;-) >and in the total absence of immunity requirements? Of course not, that >is an exaggeration to make the author?s point.  

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Richards, Carl
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: 02 May 2008 16:03 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: FCC Immunity Requirements Apple is now and has been established since the introduction of the Mac (1984). The point is that the established companies

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Ken Javor
uot; List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:54:36 -0400 To: Conversation: FCC Immunity Requirements Subject: RE: FCC Immunity Requirements Apple still turn out cracking products even with today’s r

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Ken Javor
ond > Reply-To: > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:57:10 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: FCC Immunity Requirements > > Companies who make shoddy or even merely susceptible equipment may be > expected to deny the problem exists,or to blame it on the (even lawful) > source of interfere

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Richards, Carl
position protection. :-) Carl From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: 02 May 2008 15:47 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: FCC Immunity Requirements A lack of perspective is on display here. First, has anyone

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Ken Javor
. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Andrew McCallum List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:48:15 +0100 To: Ken Javor , Subject: Re: FCC Immunity

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Richards, Carl
Carl Carl Richards, Regulatory Compliance Manager, Aspect Software 2, The Square Stockley Park, Uxbridge, UB11 1AD, United Kingdom From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Derek Walton Sent: 02 May 2008 14:52 To: Ken Javor Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Cortland Richmond
Companies who make shoddy or even merely susceptible equipment may be expected to deny the problem exists,or to blame it on the (even lawful) source of interference, or simply refuse to do anything about it. In the United States there is almost always an implied warranty that an item sold is suita

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Derek Walton
Ken Javor wrote: > > > But in the absence of that situation, which is clearly where we are at > in the USA, it is either comical or tragical that someone feels that > the government must step in to provide protection not afforded by the > invisible hand of the free market. If I buy a laptop tha

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Andrew McCallum
European standards are written up in consultation with industry to be realistic and workable (in theory). It may be the STATE that enforces it but industry has defined it. I would rather buy one laptop knowing it will work rather than have to go through 10 laptops till I find one that works.

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Ken Javor
Fascinating thought processes here. Who will protect the consumer? And from whom? It is one thing to impose EMI requirements on equipment to be installed in close proximity on platforms. There as pointed out the close proximity of susceptible equipment to high power sources, and not mentioned bu

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread John Woodgate
In message <9d04b979323dcd428297dda95108893e0120c...@bb-corp-ex2.corp.cubic.cub>, dated Fri, 2 May 2008, "Price, Edward" writes: >However, the US market has become just about as regulation-controlled >as the European market, so I expect that someday we will see immunity >standards imposed on

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Ted.Eckert
emc-p...@ieee.org cc Subject 05/02/2008 07:38 Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

RE: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread Price, Edward
Subject: Re: FCC Immunity Requirements Ian, Years ago, I had an oppotunity to ask an FCC officer this question at the FCC booth during an IEEE symposium. The officer told me FCC cares if a product produces high emission to the public. It is not

Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-02 Thread John Woodgate
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Re: FCC Immunity Requirements

2008-05-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
There are no immunity requirements in 47 CFR Part 15, the FCC rules for unintentional radiators. However, this only covers unintentional radiators. The FCC rules cover a wide range of products and some categories do include some immunity testing. For example, 47 CFR Part 68 is a set of FCC regul