RE: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Another carbon composition resistor anecdote : In the early days of UL1459, 2nd ed. (c. 1989), with the advent of overvoltage testing (or as CSA called it, fire hazard testing; now referred to as power-cross testing) on telecommunications ports, one manufacturer used GDTs and 5 W series limiting

RE: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
_ From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:30 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: OT: standard component values I have heard that carbon composition resistors are no longer allowed to be used in commercial products because they burn

RE: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
: standard component values Peter and list members, Related to this subject, many years ago one of the electronics magazines published (in text format) a Basic program by Jan Axelson that calculates standard resistor values for any desired ratio. Either 5% or 1% values can

RE: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Ed and all: Ed asks: BTW, does anyone know when component manufacturers started using this tolerance progression? From my own observation, the system was in place for 1930's era design. Was it codified under some old EIA standard, or is it even older? The EIA did not exist in the '30's.

RE: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
All, I remember an application where a small value carbon resistor was placed in a circuit to handle overloads which could result in a fire. This was reliably demonstrated to fail in an open circuit under the fault conditions evaluated. When, at a later date, it

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message c21d7120.52139%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes: I have heard that carbon composition resistors are no longer allowed to be used in commercial products because they burn when mistreated. But in many applications they

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message e6acec5be8405b4e936c9e9bccac10241b6...@bb-corp-be1.corp.cubic.cub, dated Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Price, Ed ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: BTW, does anyone know when component manufacturers started using this tolerance progression? From my own observation, the system was in place for 1930's

RE: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
) 1245 453571 Mob: (+44) 7801 723735 P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: 14 March 2007 14:30 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: OT: standard component values I have heard that carbon composition resistors

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:08:37 -0800 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: OT: standard component values From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:37 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: OT: standard component values

RE: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:37 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: OT: standard component values In message 45f7a47b.2040...@dctolight.net, dated Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Fred Townsend f...@dctolight.net writes: Gentlemen what you say may

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 45f7a47b.2040...@dctolight.net, dated Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Fred Townsend f...@dctolight.net writes: Gentlemen what you say may apply to some components but with regard to 5, 10, and 20% composition resistors it is dead wrong. The question was where the 'preferred values' came from. Not

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Johnson mailto:john...@itesafety.com john...@itesafety.com Organization: ITE Safety List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:33:27 -0500 To: ted.eck...@apcc.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: OT: standard component values Do I assume this means that a 10% 1K

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 45f77b17.4070...@itesafety.com, dated Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Robert Johnson john...@itesafety.com writes: Do I assume this means that a 10% 1K resistor will have values between 900 and 950 ohms or between 1050 and 1100 ohms since the resistors measuring between 950 and 1050 will have

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
-0500 To: ted.eck...@apcc.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: OT: standard component values Do I assume this means that a 10% 1K resistor will have values between 900 and 950 ohms or between 1050 and 1100 ohms since the resistors measuring between 950 and 1050 will have been placed in the 5

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Do I assume this means that a 10% 1K resistor will have values between 900 and 950 ohms or between 1050 and 1100 ohms since the resistors measuring between 950 and 1050 will have been placed in the 5% or better stock? Bob Johnson ted.eck...@apcc.com wrote: The standard resistor values are

RE: OT: standard component values

2007-03-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:20 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: OT: standard component values In message be3336be85968d49be01e66d6e365b1e01b59...@sjc1amfpew01.am.sanm.corp, dated Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Tarver, Peter peter.tar...@sanmina

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message be3336be85968d49be01e66d6e365b1e01b59...@sjc1amfpew01.am.sanm.corp, dated Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Tarver, Peter peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com writes: Or maybe there's a mathematical reason that hasn't occurred to me, like some arithmetic progression, or even simple phobias or prejudices.

Re: OT: standard component values

2007-03-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The standard resistor values are selected to ensure that any resistor manufactured can be marked as a valid part and sold. For 5% resistors, each value is approximately 10% larger than the previous value. Anything between 9.5 and 10.5 could be called 10 within 5%. Likewise, the 1% resistor