RE: single fault conditions

2003-02-03 Thread Price, Ed
>-Original Message- >From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] >Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:17 PM >To: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk >Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org >Subject: Re: single fault conditions > > > > > > >Hi John: > > >> >F

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-31 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: > >For example, at a previous employer, I observed several instances of FETs > >(in a 3kVA instrument) exploding and sending molten metal (mostly from the > >leads and the lead's solder pads) through chassis vents, that subsequently > >caused the surrounding cheesecloth to ig

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that boconn...@t-yuden.com wrote (in ) about 'single fault conditions' on Fri, 31 Jan 2003: >For example, at a previous employer, I observed several instances of FETs >(in a 3kVA instrument) exploding and sending molten metal (mostly from the >leads and the

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute wrote (in <200301311743.jaa24...@epgc264.sdd.hp.com>) about 'single fault conditions' on Fri, 31 Jan 2003: >So, the failure of switching FETs could give rise >to both fire and shock, but should not do so if the >equipment constru

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-31 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: > >The Bad: some FETs fail very violently, and can actually be a fire hazard > >and/or shock hazard in open-frame switchers; > > Really? There doesn't seem to be enough combustible material to cause a > fire hazard, and an open-frame switcher always has to be in some sort

RE: single fault conditions

2003-01-31 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
>The Bad: some FETs fail very violently, and can actually be a fire hazard >and/or shock hazard in open-frame switchers; >>Really? There doesn't seem to be enough combustible material to cause a >>fire hazard, and an open-frame switcher always has to be in some sort of >>outer enclosure, does

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that boconn...@t-yuden.com wrote (in ) about 'single fault conditions' on Wed, 29 Jan 2003: >Yes sir, this isĀ another thing I've wondered about; i.e., simulating the big >bus cap (short) SFC by applying a mechanical short accross the terminals.

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that boconn...@t-yuden.com wrote (in ) about 'single fault conditions' on Wed, 29 Jan 2003: >The environment being considered is a switching power supply. The technique >that safety agencies use to simulate a SFC on a power FET does not seem, >IMHO, to

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-31 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that boconn...@t-yuden.com wrote (in ) about 'single fault conditions' on Thu, 30 Jan 2003: >I am also concerned that there are products on the market, tested in good >faith, that would be unsafe for a more probable SFC, that would not be >

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-30 Thread Rich Nute
> While s-c and o-c at device terminals do not simulate true > fault conditions within components, testing must be > practical. If we are to begin considering simulation of > true fault conditions within components, there may be no end > to the number of tests. We can easily put bou

RE: single fault conditions

2003-01-30 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
Original Message- From: Peter L. Tarver [ mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:13 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: single fault conditions While s-c and o-c at device terminals do not simulate true fault conditions within componen

RE: single fault conditions

2003-01-30 Thread Peter L. Tarver
While s-c and o-c at device terminals do not simulate true fault conditions within components, testing must be practical. If we are to begin considering simulation of true fault conditions within components, there may be no end to the number of tests. Simulation of internal component faults woul

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-29 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Brian: > The environment being considered is a switching power supply. The technique > that safety agencies use to simulate a SFC on a power FET does not seem, > IMHO, to simulate the actual failure mode of the device. To wit: when the > mosfet fails short, it blows itself open; so

RE: single fault conditions

2003-01-29 Thread drcuthbert
fault conditions Good People of PSTC The environment being considered is a switching power supply. The technique that safety agencies use to simulate a SFC on a power FET does not seem, IMHO, to simulate the actual failure mode of the device. To wit: when the mosfet fails short, it blows itself

RE: single fault conditions

2003-01-29 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
some of the testing that I perform that the agencies think is really great stuff... R/S, Brian From: Lou Aiken [mailto:ai...@gulftel.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:19 PM To: boconn...@t-yuden.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: single fault conditions Wow, I would have to

Re: single fault conditions

2003-01-29 Thread Lou Aiken
36561 USA tel ++ 1 251 981 6786 fax ++ 1 251 981 3054 Cell ++ 1 251 979 4648 - Original Message - From: boconn...@t-yuden.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: single fault conditions Good People of PSTC The environment being

single fault conditions

2003-01-29 Thread boconn...@t-yuden.com
Good People of PSTC The environment being considered is a switching power supply. The technique that safety agencies use to simulate a SFC on a power FET does not seem, IMHO, to simulate the actual failure mode of the device. To wit: when the mosfet fails short, it blows itself open; so the amoun

Re: Voltages under single fault conditions

2000-05-15 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Doug: > Does this section mean to say that the voltage on "internal SELV" may in > fact go higher than the 71V Peak and 120 V DC for a short time? Naturally, The standard says: "In a single circuit... other parts of the same circuit do not comply with all of the requirement

Voltages under single fault conditions

2000-05-15 Thread POWELL, DOUG
Hello group, My company manufactures high energy power conversion equipment and we often deal with insulation between mains voltages and SELV as well as high voltage outputs and SELV. During part of our type testing we simulate single fault conditions such as a breakdown of basic or