[Emc-users] Stepper Musings

2010-11-29 Thread andy pugh
Prompted by a query on the forums on the age-old question of using encoders with steppers, I started wondering about wierd and wonderful ways to make it work. The issue is that steppers just don't have the right characterstics to work in a servo loop, as trying to run them harder to recover a

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper Musings

2010-11-29 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2010/11/29 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: You would probably want a slow-I PID as a separate component to claw back the missed steps once the feedrate has slowed enough. Any thoughts? If I understand correctly this concept, then in case of major losing of steps (motor stalled) following error

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper Musings

2010-11-29 Thread Belli Button
Unfortunately when a stepper looses synchronisation, one needs to 'stop' the motor for the poles to realign and then you can move the motor again. I cannot see how a motor travelling at a velocity near its maximum capable velocity can loose just a single step with out stopping altogether.

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper Musings

2010-11-29 Thread andy pugh
On 29 November 2010 15:20, Belli Button be...@iafrica.com wrote: Unfortunately when a stepper looses synchronisation, one needs to 'stop' the motor for the poles to realign and then you can move the motor again.  I cannot see how a motor travelling at a velocity near its maximum capable

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Coil Tying

2010-11-29 Thread Dave Caroline
Do you mean lacing cable harness? if so http://www.dairiki.org/hammond/cable-lacing-howto/ Dave Caroline On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: Does anyone have a link covering the old style of bunch tying wire coils? -- Kirk Wallace

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Coil Tying

2010-11-29 Thread Thomas Powderly
or did you mean that wonderful african welder transformer that was posted recently, it had a lot of string in it especially the stack of bent E frames in the center tom3p On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: Does anyone have a link covering the old

[Emc-users] Compile EMC2

2010-11-29 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello, folks! I have a question about compiling EMC2. I have EMC 2.4.3 installed on my PC in a regular way. I want to implement some changes in Axis GUI, so I got the source of EMC2 through GIT and did checkout v2.4.3. I have changed the /home/vie/emc2-dev/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py

Re: [Emc-users] Compile EMC2

2010-11-29 Thread Yann Jautard
I think I've read here some weeks ago python is interpreted, not compiled, so you sould have nothing special to do to see your changes in axis, just quit and relaunch it. - Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello, folks! I have a question about compiling EMC2. I have

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with USC servo mode.

2010-11-29 Thread Don Stanley
Jon; I stumbled into the solution, responses below. On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Don Stanley wrote: Hi Jon and All; My configuration is: -D510MO computer -Ubuntu 10.04 Live Disk -EMC2 2.4.5 -USC with univstep reconfigured for mill.

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Coil Tying

2010-11-29 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 17:18 +, Dave Caroline wrote: Do you mean lacing cable harness? if so http://www.dairiki.org/hammond/cable-lacing-howto/ Dave Caroline Thank you. That's what I had in mind. I thought it was more complicated, but I guess knot. -- Kirk Wallace

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper Musings

2010-11-29 Thread Colin Kingsbury
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:54:22 + From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stepper Musings To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net On 29 November 2010 15:20, Belli Button be...@iafrica.com wrote: Unfortunately when a stepper

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Coil Tying

2010-11-29 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 11:32 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 17:18 +, Dave Caroline wrote: Do you mean lacing cable harness? if so http://www.dairiki.org/hammond/cable-lacing-howto/ Dave Caroline Thank you. That's what I had in mind. I thought it was more

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Coil Tying

2010-11-29 Thread andy pugh
On 29 November 2010 19:32, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: Thank you. That's what I had in mind. I thought it was more complicated, but I guess knot. My EMC2 control box: http://picasaweb.google.com/bodgesoc/Gibbs#5438923441932523602 Looks like I guessed the right knot :-) --

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper Musings

2010-11-29 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 14:43 -0500, Colin Kingsbury wrote: ... snip It's not magic and won't make the machine more precise, but it would make it more fault-tolerant and that seems significant. Maybe not tolerant, but it's nice to get a warning when a step or two are missed and otherwise is not

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Coil Tying

2010-11-29 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 11/29/2010 2:53 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 29 November 2010 19:32, Kirk Wallacekwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: Thank you. That's what I had in mind. I thought it was more complicated, but I guess knot. My EMC2 control box: http://picasaweb.google.com/bodgesoc/Gibbs#5438923441932523602

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Coil Tying

2010-11-29 Thread andy pugh
On 29 November 2010 21:33, Kent A. Reed knbr...@erols.com wrote: But...what's up with photo 54 of 56?  Looks like there's a war story waiting to be told about that one. That's what I found when my cooker stopped working. A 3kW (13A) cooker wired though 1mm2 (7.5A) wire on a dedicated circuit

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Coil Tying

2010-11-29 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 11/29/2010 4:48 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 29 November 2010 21:33, Kent A. Reedknbr...@erols.com wrote: But...what's up with photo 54 of 56? Looks like there's a war story waiting to be told about that one. That's what I found when my cooker stopped working. A 3kW (13A) cooker wired though

Re: [Emc-users] Compile EMC2

2010-11-29 Thread Jeff Epler
First off, while we don't intend for there to be anything secret about building emc2 packages on Ubuntu 10.04 or 8.04, I still recommend that users who build their own use run-in-place. This is the easiest way to build your own version, the fastest to rebuild for small modifications, and it will

Re: [Emc-users] Need help with USC servo mode.

2010-11-29 Thread Jon Elson
Don Stanley wrote: When the OUTPUT_SCALE is set to +1.0 I was getting 1 step output for each inch of travel. That was actually .04 inches of movement for 1 inch movement shown on the axis display. My drives need 125000 steps per inch of travel (25 steps on the knee). When I set the

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper Musings

2010-11-29 Thread Jon Elson
Colin Kingsbury wrote: At first I was not really big on this but the more I think about it, the more I like it. I play with small, benchtop size machines, where inexpensive steppers and drives generally work well and cost half or less of what servos would. A pseudo-servo mechanism that simply

Re: [Emc-users] Stepper Musings

2010-11-29 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 14:43 -0500, Colin Kingsbury wrote: It's not magic and won't make the machine more precise, but it would make it more fault-tolerant and that seems significant. Maybe not tolerant, but

Re: [Emc-users] Changes to Axis

2010-11-29 Thread Rudy du Preez
About changing Axis: The sources sits in /usr/bin/axis and /usr/share/axis/tcl/axis.tcl with images in /usr/share/axis/images. I created a copy called axis_w in /usr/bin and a copy called axis_w.tcl in /usr/share/axis/tcl and modified both these files, also the images in ../images, ie copied