Re: [Emc-users] M3/M4 and M5

2011-09-06 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 09:45:52 +0300, you wrote: Kim, I am trying to build industrial machines with EMC. Explaining to client, why do they need to specify S word in g-code file for a welding robot, where it does not make any sense at all, is very very difficult, after I have been telling them, how

Re: [Emc-users] M3/M4 and M5

2011-09-06 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 03:12:00 -0500, you wrote: Have you tried the RS274NGC section of the ini file as described by section 4.2.4 of the integrators manual? --- 4.2.4 [RS274NGC] Section PARAMETER_FILE = file.var The file which contains the parameters used by

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Mark Wendt
On 09/05/2011 11:58 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Andrew wrote: Both motors and drives. I have pretty low-cost drives for the Keling brushless motors (they will drive a variety of other motors as well.) $150 per axis for up to 20 Amps and 120 V DC. These take PWM signals as the

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 September 2011 04:58, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I have pretty low-cost drives for the Keling brushless motors (they will drive a variety of other motors as well.) With software translation of the feedback device (whether alternative Hall sensor arrangements, encoders or

[Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread andy pugh
I have made a servo PSU. It simply rectifies mains voltage to give me 325V DC. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HdNJXBD5wPqDUi9E8C46HQ?feat=directlink https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dTcU2i7GYh53xSrqjh--BQ?feat=directlink There is a bit of extra componentry in the box to discharge the

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011, andy pugh wrote: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:34:24 +0100 From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Don Stanley
Hi Andy; Some years ago the US code requires earth ground and common line to be isolated. This prevents voltage drop in the common line jacking up voltage on the equipment. The transformer will isolate the common return for you so your equipment will stay at earth ground and you won't glow in the

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Andy Pugh
On 6 Sep 2011, at 15:21, Don Stanley dstanley1...@gmail.com wrote: The transformer will isolate the common return for you so your equipment will stay at earth ground and you won't glow in the dark when you touch it. Which transformer? Does the Drive care that the DC is not referenced to

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011, Andy Pugh wrote: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 15:47:01 +0100 From: Andy Pugh bodge...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Servo

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Dave
On 9/5/2011 4:24 PM, Andrew wrote: Hi everybody, I'm looking for inexpensive servos for plasma table. I know DMM and Keling. There are also used Mitsubishi/Yaskawa etc. on ebay. What else can you suggest? Thanks a lot, Andrew

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Peter Blodow
Andy, looks like a neatly made power box. Rectifying AC line power without potential insulation, however, is unusual and bears some risks. - Be aware that both of your DC lines will have potential to ground, none can be grounded. - Be sure that every metallic enclosure that is powered by this

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Jon Elson
Mark Wendt wrote: Jon, Just curious - on your Accessories page, what's the MISC for $1.00? ;-) If somebody needs to send me a cash amount for some miscellaneous service rendered, like repairing a board they damaged, this allows them to pay in $1 increments. It has no weight set in the

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: On 6 September 2011 04:58, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I have pretty low-cost drives for the Keling brushless motors (they will drive a variety of other motors as well.) With software translation of the feedback device (whether alternative Hall sensor

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Mark Wendt
On 09/06/2011 12:24 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Mark Wendt wrote: Jon, Just curious - on your Accessories page, what's the MISC for $1.00? ;-) If somebody needs to send me a cash amount for some miscellaneous service rendered, like repairing a board they damaged, this allows them to

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: I have made a servo PSU. It simply rectifies mains voltage to give me 325V DC. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HdNJXBD5wPqDUi9E8C46HQ?feat=directlink https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dTcU2i7GYh53xSrqjh--BQ?feat=directlink There is a bit of extra componentry in the

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 September 2011 17:15, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: - Think about the effects that plugging the mains plug 180 degrees turned over could have, don't rely on wires having seemingly no potential in one case! This isn't possible with UK wiring. Also, UK 240V single phase is neutral

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 September 2011 17:36, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: No, if you rectify the mains, the -V terminal will NOT be anywhere near neutral.  It will essentially be floating near whichever mains terminal is currently more negative than the other.  So, it will be swinging 120 times a

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Andrew
2011/9/6 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com Andrew wrote: Both motors and drives. I have pretty low-cost drives for the Keling brushless motors (they will drive a variety of other motors as well.) $150 per axis for up to 20 Amps and 120 V DC. These take PWM signals as the command from

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 September 2011 18:09, Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com wrote: The less expensive - the better. This is rather DIY than industrial grade plasma. Up to $500 per axis would be nice. We also consider steppers, but servos looks preferable. In that case, get motors from eBay and drives

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Andrew
2011/9/6 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com I paid £50 for three AC servos from eBay (500W) and they will be running with Mesa 8i20 drives. (around E200) Wow! I'll run through ebay once more. I guess you mean £50 per motor, not for all three =) Do all AC motors have similar connectors? I.e. MESA

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 September 2011 18:44, Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com wrote: I paid £50 for three AC servos from eBay (500W) and they will be running with Mesa 8i20 drives. (around E200) Wow! I'll run through ebay once more. I guess you mean £50 per motor, not for all three =) No, I mean £50 for

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Tue, 6 Sep 2011, Peter Blodow wrote: Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 18:15:33 +0200 From: Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users]

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 17:57 +0100, andy pugh wrote: On 6 September 2011 17:15, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: - Think about the effects that plugging the mains plug 180 degrees turned over could have, don't rely on wires having seemingly no potential in one case! This isn't

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Andrew
2011/9/6 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com You need to try a number of different search terms. I just tried brushless in Business and Industrial on eBay US. This looks good, it would make a great spindle motor for a toolchanger-mill or live-tool lathe.

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 September 2011 20:40, Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, I noticed that some of the motors are brushless *DC* servo. It's not the same as *AC* servo, is it? I have no idea what the difference is (or even if there is one) They both work in the same way with the same drives.

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 22:40 +0300, Andrew wrote: ... snip Andy, I noticed that some of the motors are brushless *DC* servo. It's not the same as *AC* servo, is it? ... snip I believe the only difference is in the shape of the relative magnetic fields between the armature and stator. Brushless

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 September 2011 21:07, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: Since we tend to use feedback loops for EMC2 servos, AC or DC type motors should work the same since non-ideal torque will be corrected, but I haven't done much work with brushless motors so I'm not an expert. More to

Re: [Emc-users] AC servos

2011-09-06 Thread Andrew
2011/9/5 Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com Hi everybody, I'm looking for inexpensive servos for plasma table. I know DMM and Keling. There are also used Mitsubishi/Yaskawa etc. on ebay. What else can you suggest? Nice prices, but only expensive shipping available

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Don Stanley
Andy; Sorry for being cryptic. The 1:1 isolation transformer you considered. It could be a step up or step down if you wanted different DC voltage. Consider that the DC output of the rectifier and filter will be about 1.5 times the AC voltage Hook the input power to the transformer input leads

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread andy pugh
On 6 September 2011 23:14, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: I've regularly seen much higher than a few volts. I think it depends a lot on location and local wiring condition/type and ground conditions. I am not sure I want to think to hard about this, because then I will end up

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Dave
I am trusting to cleverer folk than myself for that part. Also, make sure the motor connections are very well-made, The motor connector plugs cost more than the motors. They ought to be up to the job. http://sineco.3dcartstores.com/assets/images/PDFs/DataSheets/MB1CKN0600.pdf

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:16:17 PM andy pugh did opine: I have made a servo PSU. It simply rectifies mains voltage to give me 325V DC. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HdNJXBD5wPqDUi9E8C46HQ?feat=direc tlink https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dTcU2i7GYh53xSrqjh--BQ?feat=direc

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread Jon Elson
andy pugh wrote: It's UK single phase, and neutral is only ever a few volts from earth. OK, then the V- is swinging 50 times a second between -168 V from neutral and approximately equal to neutral. Obviously you have full galvanic isolation between the power transistors and the

Re: [Emc-users] Servo PSU

2011-09-06 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:19:35 PM Andy Pugh did opine: On 6 Sep 2011, at 15:21, Don Stanley dstanley1...@gmail.com wrote: The transformer will isolate the common return for you so your equipment will stay at earth ground and you won't glow in the dark when you touch it. Which

[Emc-users] Tooltable QUestion

2011-09-06 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
Helping Dan Field with a question on setting up the Tool table (in another forum). He is using the tool offset commands and cutting with a 60 degree v bit. Does the tool table care if its a v bit or just the overall diameter? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ToolTable The wiki does

Re: [Emc-users] Tooltable QUestion

2011-09-06 Thread Jon Elson
BRIAN GLACKIN wrote: Helping Dan Field with a question on setting up the Tool table (in another forum). He is using the tool offset commands and cutting with a 60 degree v bit. Does the tool table care if its a v bit or just the overall diameter?

Re: [Emc-users] M3/M4 and M5

2011-09-06 Thread Chris Morley
And, if properly built, they all can be considered as industrial machines. Chris, thank You very much for the suggestion, I will check it out, when I have a spare moment and will let You know, if any other questions will arise. Viesturs If it ends up not setting the HAL pins at the