Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-11 Thread tcninja12
I couldnt tell you what taper they are but some of the holder is inside the r8 some can try them I dont use them any more they are nikken brand On Dec 11, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > On 12/10/2013 8:46 PM, tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: >> This discussion reminded me That I have one

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-11 Thread Dave Cole
On 12/11/2013 1:16 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > On 12/10/2013 8:46 PM, tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: >> This discussion reminded me That I have one of these if someone wants to try >> it >> >> http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y342/tcninja12/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps00648bad.jpg > What is the taper

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 12/10/2013 8:46 PM, tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: > This discussion reminded me That I have one of these if someone wants to try > it > > http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y342/tcninja12/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps00648bad.jpg What is the taper on those holders? ---

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Dave Cole
On 12/10/2013 10:21 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 12/10/2013 12:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. >> R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. >> So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing >> the Z axis

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 12/10/2013 07:21 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 12/10/2013 12:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: >> I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. >> R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. >> So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing >> the Z axis

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread tcninja12
This discussion reminded me That I have one of these if someone wants to try it http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y342/tcninja12/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps00648bad.jpg On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: > On 12/10/2013 12:28 PM, andy pugh wrote: >> On 10 December 2013 20:13, Kir

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/10/2013 12:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. > R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. > So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing > the Z axis use on repetitive parts? > > Why do you say th

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 12/10/2013 12:28 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 10 December 2013 20:13, Kirk Wallace wrote: > >> I would, given a large budget, prefer 30 or 40 taper with a power draw bar. > > My power draw-bar cost me £40, and half of that was because I decided > to anodise the parts. > (My mill was 30 INT as deli

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 10 December 2013 20:13:46 Gregg Eshelman did opine: > On Tue, 12/10/13, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Agreed Andy, my MT2 is a PIMA. And hell on spindle bearings > since you have > to seriously beat the drawbolt to loosen it. > > Cheers, Gene > > That's why I use a ball joint separato

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Tue, 12/10/13, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress. To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2013, 2:55 PM On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > I've got an Erickson QC30 on my B

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Tue, 12/10/13, Gene Heskett wrote: Agreed Andy, my MT2 is a PIMA. And hell on spindle bearings since you have to seriously beat the drawbolt to loosen it. Cheers, Gene -- That's why I use a ball joint separator (AKA "pickle fork") on my little Chinese drill/mill. Fits between the sp

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Tue, 12/10/13, Kirk Wallace wrote: My random thoughts. I have just started using the R8/Tormach toolholding system and find it far more convenient than plain R8. Changes are as fast as grab a wrench, loosen draw bar enough to slide tool holder out, put next holder in, tighten, done.

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Dave Cole
On 12/10/2013 4:55 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > >> I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. >> R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. >> > Why? R8 uses a taper angle of 16.85deg. NMTB/QC30 uses 16.5943de

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread ed
Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > > Why? R8 uses a taper angle of 16.85deg. NMTB/QC30 uses 16.5943deg [both > from wikipedia]. Both of them the taper face is the gauge line (they don't > seat on a flat face or anything.) Both have 1.25" max taper

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread ed
tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: > well it might be faster for one tool jobs but 5 or 6 tools already touched > off might make the qc a better choice > > Terry > > I have a 200 Kwik Switch on my Wells Index, would not trade it for any amount of R8. Like the cat series it is a lot shorter for tool ch

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: > I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. > R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. > Why? R8 uses a taper angle of 16.85deg. NMTB/QC30 uses 16.5943deg [both from wikipedia]. Both of them the taper face

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 10 December 2013 15:55:29 andy pugh did opine: > On 10 December 2013 20:13, Kirk Wallace wrote: > > I would, given a large budget, prefer 30 or 40 taper with a power draw > > bar. > > My power draw-bar cost me £40, and half of that was because I decided > to anodise the parts. > (My

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 December 2013 20:13, Kirk Wallace wrote: > I would, given a large budget, prefer 30 or 40 taper with a power draw bar. My power draw-bar cost me £40, and half of that was because I decided to anodise the parts. (My mill was 30 INT as delivered, and is now using BT30 tooling) The Tormach p

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 12/10/2013 10:50 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. > R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. > So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing > the Z axis use on repetitive parts? > > Dave > > On 12/10

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Dave Cole
I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing the Z axis use on repetitive parts? Dave On 12/10/2013 12:56 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > Im not sure

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread tcninja12
well it might be faster for one tool jobs but 5 or 6 tools already touched off might make the qc a better choice Terry On Dec 10, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > Im not sure I'd go that far (and Im an owner of both). NMTB/QC30 has > positive drive but a R8 power drawbar absolutel

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 December 2013 17:56, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > Im not sure I'd go that far (and Im an owner of both). NMTB/QC30 has > positive drive but a R8 power drawbar absolutely whoops QC30 in tool change > speed & ease. How long does it take to lower the table far enough to extract 4.5' of R8? I ad

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
Im not sure I'd go that far (and Im an owner of both). NMTB/QC30 has positive drive but a R8 power drawbar absolutely whoops QC30 in tool change speed & ease. Push button vs having to yank on a wrench both in and out. Its not really an improvement. SMD On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Dave Co

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Dave Cole
On 12/10/2013 6:16 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 10 December 2013 05:32, Gregg Eshelman wrote: >> A very nice surprise was the lot included a >> Kennametal Erickson quick change spindle from a Bridgeport. The guy had >> swapped it for an R8 spindle > That's just perverse! I'd go a bit further and say

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 December 2013 05:32, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > A very nice surprise was the lot included a > Kennametal Erickson quick change spindle from a Bridgeport. The guy had > swapped it for an R8 spindle That's just perverse! -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manif

[Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-09 Thread Gregg Eshelman
I made a 600+ mile round trip last week to pick up a load of NMTB 30 tooling for $1,000. A very nice surprise was the lot included a Kennametal Erickson quick change spindle from a Bridgeport. The guy had swapped it for an R8 spindle so he no longer needed all the 30 taper stuff. Didn't mention