Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-11 Thread Dave Cole
On 12/11/2013 1:16 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: On 12/10/2013 8:46 PM, tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: This discussion reminded me That I have one of these if someone wants to try it http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y342/tcninja12/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps00648bad.jpg What is the taper on those

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-11 Thread tcninja12
I couldnt tell you what taper they are but some of the holder is inside the r8 some can try them I dont use them any more they are nikken brand On Dec 11, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: On 12/10/2013 8:46 PM, tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: This discussion reminded me

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 December 2013 05:32, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: A very nice surprise was the lot included a Kennametal Erickson quick change spindle from a Bridgeport. The guy had swapped it for an R8 spindle That's just perverse! -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Dave Cole
On 12/10/2013 6:16 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 10 December 2013 05:32, Gregg Eshelman g_ala...@yahoo.com wrote: A very nice surprise was the lot included a Kennametal Erickson quick change spindle from a Bridgeport. The guy had swapped it for an R8 spindle That's just perverse! I'd go a bit

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
Im not sure I'd go that far (and Im an owner of both). NMTB/QC30 has positive drive but a R8 power drawbar absolutely whoops QC30 in tool change speed ease. Push button vs having to yank on a wrench both in and out. Its not really an improvement. SMD On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Dave

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 December 2013 17:56, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Im not sure I'd go that far (and Im an owner of both). NMTB/QC30 has positive drive but a R8 power drawbar absolutely whoops QC30 in tool change speed ease. How long does it take to lower the table far enough to extract

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread tcninja12
well it might be faster for one tool jobs but 5 or 6 tools already touched off might make the qc a better choice Terry On Dec 10, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Im not sure I'd go that far (and Im an owner of both). NMTB/QC30 has positive drive but a R8

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Dave Cole
I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing the Z axis use on repetitive parts? Dave On 12/10/2013 12:56 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: Im not sure

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 12/10/2013 10:50 AM, Dave Cole wrote: I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing the Z axis use on repetitive parts? Dave On 12/10/2013

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 December 2013 20:13, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: I would, given a large budget, prefer 30 or 40 taper with a power draw bar. My power draw-bar cost me £40, and half of that was because I decided to anodise the parts. (My mill was 30 INT as delivered, and is now using

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 10 December 2013 15:55:29 andy pugh did opine: On 10 December 2013 20:13, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: I would, given a large budget, prefer 30 or 40 taper with a power draw bar. My power draw-bar cost me £40, and half of that was because I decided to

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. Why? R8 uses a taper angle of 16.85deg. NMTB/QC30 uses 16.5943deg [both from wikipedia]. Both of

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread ed
tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: well it might be faster for one tool jobs but 5 or 6 tools already touched off might make the qc a better choice Terry I have a 200 Kwik Switch on my Wells Index, would not trade it for any amount of R8. Like the cat series it is a lot shorter for tool

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread ed
Stephen Dubovsky wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Why? R8 uses a taper angle of 16.85deg. NMTB/QC30 uses 16.5943deg [both from wikipedia]. Both of them the taper face is the gauge line (they don't seat on a flat face or anything.) Both

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Dave Cole
On 12/10/2013 4:55 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. Why? R8 uses a taper angle of 16.85deg. NMTB/QC30

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Tue, 12/10/13, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: My random thoughts. I have just started using the R8/Tormach toolholding system and find it far more convenient than plain R8. Changes are as fast as grab a wrench, loosen draw bar enough to slide tool holder out, put next

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Tue, 12/10/13, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Agreed Andy, my MT2 is a PIMA. And hell on spindle bearings since you have to seriously beat the drawbolt to loosen it. Cheers, Gene -- That's why I use a ball joint separator (AKA pickle fork) on my little Chinese drill/mill.

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On Tue, 12/10/13, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress. To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2013, 2:55 PM On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 10 December 2013 20:13:46 Gregg Eshelman did opine: On Tue, 12/10/13, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Agreed Andy, my MT2 is a PIMA. And hell on spindle bearings since you have to seriously beat the drawbolt to loosen it. Cheers, Gene That's why I use a ball joint

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 12/10/2013 12:28 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 10 December 2013 20:13, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: I would, given a large budget, prefer 30 or 40 taper with a power draw bar. My power draw-bar cost me £40, and half of that was because I decided to anodise the parts. (My

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 12/10/2013 12:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing the Z axis use on repetitive parts? Why do you say that?

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread tcninja12
This discussion reminded me That I have one of these if someone wants to try it http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y342/tcninja12/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps00648bad.jpg On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: On 12/10/2013 12:28 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 10

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 12/10/2013 07:21 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 12/10/2013 12:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing the Z axis use on

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Dave Cole
On 12/10/2013 10:21 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 12/10/2013 12:50 PM, Dave Cole wrote: I've got an Erickson QC30 on my Bridgeport CNC mill. R8 does not maintain any accurate Z reference after a tool change. So while you can change tools quickly, how much time does re-referencing the Z axis use on

Re: [Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-10 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 12/10/2013 8:46 PM, tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: This discussion reminded me That I have one of these if someone wants to try it http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y342/tcninja12/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps00648bad.jpg What is the taper on those holders?

[Emc-users] Acra CNC refit progress.

2013-12-09 Thread Gregg Eshelman
I made a 600+ mile round trip last week to pick up a load of NMTB 30 tooling for $1,000. A very nice surprise was the lot included a Kennametal Erickson quick change spindle from a Bridgeport. The guy had swapped it for an R8 spindle so he no longer needed all the 30 taper stuff. Didn't