Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 09 April 2019 08:40:19 Todd Zuercher wrote: > Gene, > > And that is why if you had bought a comparable machine state side from > a reputable manufacturer who would have stood behind it and supported > it you would have paid 5 to 10 times as much for it. You'd have been > paying for

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-09 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > STMBL amps are really quite cool > > Me playing with one as a spindle drive.. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAtx8o48jI And mine turning a harmonic drive. I'm using the step/direction interface. Except now that I've wired it into my

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-09 Thread Sam Sokolik
(but this also assumes external interface hardware like mesa where around 100us latency is ok.) sam On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 11:00 AM Sam Sokolik wrote: > With rt_preempt realtime - I have had pretty good luck with laptops.. > (although the one I have in that video is probably the worse one I

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-09 Thread Sam Sokolik
With rt_preempt realtime - I have had pretty good luck with laptops.. (although the one I have in that video is probably the worse one I have found so far.. - it runs a 500hz thread 'ok') my previous laptop ran 1khz no problem. sam On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 10:56 AM Rafael Skodlar wrote: > On

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-09 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 4/9/19 6:09 AM, Sam Sokolik wrote: STMBL amps are really quite cool Me playing with one as a spindle drive.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAtx8o48jI Impressive Sam. Added a brownie point to your video. It would be nice to see the block diagram of your setup. What impressed me is

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-09 Thread Todd Zuercher
Dunn Inc. 630 Henry Street  Dalton, Ohio 44618 Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031 -Original Message- From: Gene Heskett Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 9:18 PM To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa On Monday 08 April 2019 17:10:26 Chris

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-09 Thread Sam Sokolik
STMBL amps are really quite cool Me playing with one as a spindle drive.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAtx8o48jI On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 6:27 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 09 April 2019 05:53:41 andy pugh wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 02:54, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > You

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 09 April 2019 05:53:41 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 02:54, Gene Heskett wrote: > > You also mentioned that the driver isn't available, is it still > > being (re)written? > > Hardware driver ( IRAM256-2067-A2 ). That does tend to drop a wrench in the gears. :( > The

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-09 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 02:54, Gene Heskett wrote: > You also mentioned that the driver isn't available, is it still being > (re)written? Hardware driver ( IRAM256-2067-A2 ). The software side of things works really well. (plug the STMBL into a Mesa smart-serial port, velocity / position command

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Chris Albertson
The undocumented chinese parts we buy from eBay are many times sold by a mon and pop eBayer maybe working out of her apartment. The last two time I had to get stuff swapped I learn she was a mom with two small kids who did this so she could be home with the kids. She knew absolutely ZERO about

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 April 2019 18:15:47 andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 21:15, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > How do you work that out? It's open-source hardware. > > > You can even build it yourself. > > > > TANSTAAFL. People need to eat and pay the rent. Flush the toilet, > > etc etc. That says

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 April 2019 17:10:26 Chris Albertson wrote: > Gene, > > It is 2019. The money is made today with the service sector.Yes I > could sell widgets and make $50 for each one sold. But it is better > to give away the widgets and then charge for widget services including >

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 21:15, Gene Heskett wrote: > > How do you work that out? It's open-source hardware. > > You can even build it yourself. > > TANSTAAFL. People need to eat and pay the rent. Flush the toilet, etc > etc. That says they'll expect to get paid for their time. Just like the

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Chris Albertson
Gene, It is 2019. The money is made today with the service sector.Yes I could sell widgets and make $50 for each one sold. But it is better to give away the widgets and then charge for widget services including installation, training and consulting. The service pays far more than does

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 April 2019 13:52:54 andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 15:12, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > About $100 including heatsink, DIN mount and screen-printed case. > > > But that was a not-for-profit batch of 50 that I had made. > > > > Meaning for profit propduction will be closer to

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 15:12, Gene Heskett wrote: > > About $100 including heatsink, DIN mount and screen-printed case. But > > that was a not-for-profit batch of 50 that I had made. > > Meaning for profit propduction will be closer to $200 USD/axis. How do you work that out? It's open-source

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 April 2019 06:36:58 andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 11:21, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Thanks Andy. Looks like a quite capable board set. Is it purchasable > > assembled from somebody? > > No. As I said in the email when I first mentioned it. > > > For how much an axis? > >

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Mon, 8 Apr 2019, rudy du preez wrote: Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 08:58:45 +0200 From: rudy du preez Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 at 14:48, Rud

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 11:21, Gene Heskett wrote: > Thanks Andy. Looks like a quite capable board set. Is it purchasable > assembled from somebody? No. As I said in the email when I first mentioned it. > For how much an axis? About $100 including heatsink, DIN mount and screen-printed case.

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 April 2019 05:37:59 andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 10:17, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Andy? I may have seen it pass by, but what does the STMBL acronym > > translate to? > > It is explained here, along with everything else: >

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 10:17, Gene Heskett wrote: > Andy? I may have seen it pass by, but what does the STMBL acronym > translate to? It is explained here, along with everything else: https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl/blob/master/docs/src/Getting%20Started.adoc -- atp "A motorcycle is a

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 April 2019 05:01:39 andy pugh wrote: [...] > It is a problem that has been solved by the STMBL servo drive project. [...] Andy? I may have seen it pass by, but what does the STMBL acronym translate to? Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 April 2019 02:58:45 rudy du preez wrote: > >On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 at 14:48, Rudy du Preez wrote: > >> I am busy converting a Motorman 6-axis robot to Linuxcnc. The > >> original Yaskawa motors and servo drives are used. The motors are > >> all fitted with absolute encoders. The

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 08:16, rudy du preez wrote: > Sort of, but not reliably. To read the first part of the serial data > containing the abs encoder positions was a real problem. It is a problem that has been solved by the STMBL servo drive project. If you replaced the servo drives with STMBL

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa

2019-04-08 Thread rudy du preez
>On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 at 14:48, Rudy du Preez wrote: >> I am busy converting a Motorman 6-axis robot to Linuxcnc. The original >> Yaskawa motors and servo drives are used. The motors are all fitted >> with absolute encoders. The encoders have .. > >Hi Rudy >I know this is a while

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa encoders

2019-03-29 Thread Roland Jollivet
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 at 14:48, Rudy du Preez wrote: > I am busy converting a Motorman 6-axis robot to Linuxcnc. The original > Yaskawa motors and servo drives are used. The motors are all fitted with > absolute encoders. The encoders have .. > Hi Rudy I know this is a while back, but

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa encoders

2013-09-10 Thread Rudy du Preez
I now realize that the A phase cannot go through the counter in the firmware of the 6i25+7i77 setup and then read serial data. Would it be easier to use a 5i20 + 7i33 combination. Then modify the firmware so under some control input bit the A phase is first passed through by-passing the counter,

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa encoders

2013-09-10 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013, Rudy du Preez wrote: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:50:53 +0200 From: Rudy du Preez r...@asmsa.co.za Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa encoders

2013-09-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 September 2013 21:09, Greg Bentzinger skullwo...@yahoo.com wrote: Remember this serial input will be needed for every joint/servo drive. That is several serial channels if they need to be read all at once. Otherwise you will need some form of switching unit to feed each channel as you

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa encoders

2013-09-10 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
Run physical signal to two pins? Encoder gpio. Encoder wont care about extra twiddling at start (and you're going to reset its counter anyway). Gpio (uart) doesn't care if you ignore its output later. SMD On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Rudy du Preez r...@asmsa.co.za wrote: I now realize

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa encoders

2013-09-10 Thread Greg Bentzinger
Quote: Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com snip -   Well... Thats not entirely true, the muxed data serial can be recovered just like the muxed encoder data is. 9600 baud is so slow that the muliplexing will cause minimal distortion (it will be sampled at 4 MHz so something like 400 samples/bit

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa encoders

2013-09-09 Thread Rudy du Preez
I am busy converting a Motorman 6-axis robot to Linuxcnc. The original Yaskawa motors and servo drives are used. The motors are all fitted with absolute encoders. The encoders have differential A and B pulse trains, but the A channel is used in the beginning to send 8 bytes of serial data plus

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa encoders

2013-09-09 Thread andy pugh
On 9 September 2013 13:28, Rudy du Preez r...@asmsa.co.za wrote: The encoders have differential A and B pulse trains, but the A channel is used in the beginning to send 8 bytes of serial data plus some incremental pulses to establish the absolute positions of the axes when activating the robot

Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute Yaskawa encoders

2013-09-09 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013, Rudy du Preez wrote: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 14:28:25 +0200 From: Rudy du Preez r...@asmsa.co.za Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Motorman Robot with absolute