Re: [Emc-users] VFD input

2012-11-21 Thread Claude Froidevaux
As much as I know, all VFD are 3 phases connected (without central connection available) (some are only 2 phases, but there is still a full bridge rectifier) The scheme you wanted to use will make a doubling of the voltage, most probably killing the VFD (about 640Vdc on the bus if main line is

Re: [Emc-users] VFD input

2012-11-21 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:37 AM, Claude Froidevaux wrote: > If you put neutral on terminal L1 and phase on terminal 2 and 3, it > will simply parallel 2 leg of the rectifier, this will change nothing. > Well, my original idea assumed that the 3phase input would have the Y / wye configuration, so

Re: [Emc-users] VFD input

2012-11-21 Thread Steve Stallings
:kwall...@wallacecompany.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:00 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] VFD input > > On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 17:28 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > ... snip > > I can see that, while equalizing the load

Re: [Emc-users] VFD input

2012-11-20 Thread Claude Froidevaux
If you put neutral on terminal L1 and phase on terminal 2 and 3, it will simply parallel 2 leg of the rectifier, this will change nothing. If you don't have enough power, you can try to increase capacitor bank by adding external capacitor (most VFD provide connection to DC bus). Take care that

Re: [Emc-users] VFD input

2012-11-20 Thread Belli Button
How many kW are you looking for? Greg - Original Message - From: "Przemek Klosowski" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:28 AM Subject: [Emc-users] VFD input > Not strictly EMC but I am sure people here will know th

Re: [Emc-users] VFD input

2012-11-20 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 17:28 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: ... snip > I can see that, while equalizing the load across the rectifiers, this > scheme doesn't help with power variation within the 50/60Hz cycle, so some > derating is still called for, I think. ... snip I've given this some thought t

Re: [Emc-users] VFD input

2012-11-20 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:28:14 -0500 > From: Przemek Klosowski > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > Subject: [Emc-users] VFD input > > Not

Re: [Emc-users] VFD input

2012-11-20 Thread andy pugh
On 20 November 2012 22:28, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > It occurred to me that since the input circuit should be just a 3-phase > rectifier, it should work to connect all three input terminals together, > and feed that from the single phase. Two wires, three terminals. What is your proposal? --

[Emc-users] VFD input

2012-11-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
Not strictly EMC but I am sure people here will know the answer. We all know that a 3-phase VFD can often be used off one-phase. Since all the current is then pulled off the one leg of the input rectifier, the standard wisdom says that you derate the VFD power in this situation by a factor of 2 or