Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Alexander Buchner
On 06.01.2015 08:52, Ian Mann wrote: > I experienced BCC issues with 1.7.2 and searched the web and found this > UK Register article. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/09/enigmail_encryption_error_prompts_plaintext_panic/ > Subsequently I visited your web site and got the nightly 1.8a1 pre.

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06.01.15 09:47, Alexander Buchner wrote: > On 06.01.2015 08:52, Ian Mann wrote: >> I experienced BCC issues with 1.7.2 and searched the web and found this >> UK Register article. >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/09/enigmail_encryption_er

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Ian, I'm afraid that there's a misunderstanding: On 06.01.15 08:52, Ian Mann wrote: > I experienced BCC issues with 1.7.2 and searched the web and found > this UK Register article. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/09/enigmail_encryption_

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
I understand the potential problems with the nightly, I will move back to stable on your next stable releas. Yep those Graphic are very good, thanks authors. Ian On 06/01/15 20:05, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > Hi Ian, > > I'm afraid that there's a misunderstanding: > > On 06.01.15 08:52, Ian Ma

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
Hmm, re reading I see your point, and should be less than version, 1.7.2 Hmm, I BCC'd and it seemed to encrypt but when I checked it was not encrypted, that is why I went looking on the web for an answer. I was sending to one of my other accounts as a test. I am kinda happy I have the nightly

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Alexander Buchner
On 06.01.2015 10:29, Ian Mann wrote: > Hmm, re reading I see your point, and should be less than version, 1.7.2 > > Hmm, I BCC'd and it seemed to encrypt but when I checked it was not > encrypted, that is why I went looking on the web for an answer. > > I was sending to one of my other accounts

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
Let me reload 1.7.2 and try to repeat the problem. Then I can confirm if there is actually an issue. Ian On 06/01/15 21:35, Alexander Buchner wrote: > On 06.01.2015 10:29, Ian Mann wrote: >> Hmm, re reading I see your point, and should be less than version, 1.7.2 >> >> Hmm, I BCC'd and it seeme

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
OK, rolled back to 1.7.2 TO: addressed back to my sending email BCC one of my other accounts BCC one of my other accounts Pressed SEND, got pop up warning on BCC, DID PRESS HIDE BCC Pressed NORMAL encryption, all went fine and received fine all encrypted. I have no idea now what I did incorrect

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
OK, rolled back to 1.7.2 TO: addressed back to my sending email BCC one of my other accounts BCC one of my other accounts Pressed SEND, got pop up warning on BCC, DID PRESS HIDE BCC Pressed NORMAL encryption, all went fine and received fine all encrypted. I have no idea now what I did incorrect

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Onno Ekker
According to the article Enigmail only sent unencrypted when the message was sent *only* to BCC addresses, so to test properly you have to remove the TO to your own address. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Ian Mann wrote: > OK, rolled back to 1.7.2 TO: addressed back to my sending email > BCC

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
Correction OK, rolled back to 1.7.2 TO: addressed back to my sending email BCC one of my other accounts BCC one of my other accounts Pressed SEND, got pop up warning on BCC, _DID NOT PRESS HIDE BC_C ***Note: added NOT Pressed NORMAL encryption, all went fine and received fine all encrypted. I

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
Will do that immediatly... thanks On 06/01/15 21:55, Onno Ekker wrote: > According to the article Enigmail only sent unencrypted when the message was > sent *only* to BCC addresses, so to test properly you have to remove the TO > to your own address. > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Ian Mann

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
Hmmm, results BCC: One of my accounts No1 BCC: One of my accounts No2 BCC: One of my accounts No3 Pressed send, did not get BCC warning or choice to hide BCC, ALL arrived at inboxes unencrypted, but signed. Does that result mean there is still an issue? Ian On 06/01/15 21:55, Onno Ekker wrote

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used. BCC account 1 BCC account 2 BCC account 3 Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, all arrived unencrypted, On 06/01/15 21:55, Onno Ekker wrote: > According to the article Enigmail only sent unencrypted when the message was > sent *

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi Ian, On 06.01.15 12:13, Ian Mann wrote: > Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used. > > BCC account 1 > BCC account 2 > BCC account 3 > > Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, all arrived unencrypted, I cannot reproduce t

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
Have tested 1.7.2 and 1.8 version the same way, they way you pointed out. Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used. and tested 1.7.2 the same method BCC account 1 BCC account 2 BCC account 3 Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, all arrived unencrypted, If this really

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
Probably so, it works if I use one TO: Filed, If all are BCC: I get that odd result where none are encrypted. Give me a minute to check the answers to the questions on set up you ask. Ian On 06/01/15 22:26, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > Hi Ian, > > On 06.01.15 12:13, Ian Mann wrote: > > Further

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
Manual encryption No BCC rules On 06/01/15 22:26, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > Hi Ian, > > On 06.01.15 12:13, Ian Mann wrote: > > Further, installed the nightly 1.8, no TO: Account used. > > > BCC account 1 > > BCC account 2 > > BCC account 3 > > > Pressed SEND, got no BCC warning, encrypted, al

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
I can add something furtherfor version 1.8 I watched as I entered the accounts into the boxes, when I made them BCC the padlock dropped out. Encryption OFF. I went and re clicked the padlock and and it showed locked, or encrypted. This time when I pressed send I got a warning and all arrive

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
I am going to stick with ver 1.8 because of the graphics in write mode. The fact that you can see the large padlock alerted me to the issue I was experiencing. Ian On 06/01/15 22:26, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > Hi Ian, > > On 06.01.15 12:13, Ian Mann wrote: > > Further, installed the nightly

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Philip Jackson
On 06/01/15 13:07, Ian Mann wrote: > I am going to stick with ver 1.8 because of the graphics in write mode. > > > The fact that you can see the large padlock alerted me to the issue I was > experiencing. > I've been using "Running Enigmail version 1.8a1pre (20150102-0013)" since 2nd Jan and my

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06.01.15 15:23, Philip Jackson wrote: > On 06/01/15 13:07, Ian Mann wrote: >> I am going to stick with ver 1.8 because of the graphics in write mode. >> >> >> The fact that you can see the large padlock alerted me to the issue I was >> experiencin

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
The Graphics are pretty neat aren't they. I love 'em. I know that's not very technical. Even Attach My Public Key is handy too. He's done a great job. Ian On 07/01/15 01:23, Philip Jackson wrote: > On 06/01/15 13:07, Ian Mann wrote: >> I am going to stick with ver 1.8 because of the graphics i

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06.01.15 15:23, Philip Jackson wrote: > On 06/01/15 13:07, Ian Mann wrote: >> I am going to stick with ver 1.8 because of the graphics in >> write mode. >> >> >> The fact that you can see the large padlock alerted me to the >> issue I was exper

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
I am going to make a point of not using BCC now. Some may have valid reasons for needing it. I just happened to key BCC by mistake initially and noticed the result. That is my two cents worth. Ian On 07/01/15 03:23, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > On 06.01.15 15:23, Philip Jackson wrote: > > On

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Phil Stracchino
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/06/15 11:23, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > If you think this should be changed, then you're invited to > discuss this here. I never use BCC recipients in conjunction with > encryption, so I can't really estimate how to proceed here. I tend to ag

Re: [Enigmail] General Opinion and unverified bug

2015-01-06 Thread Editor
I think you missed the point. I don't care to hear the surly comments from people like Kristy who don't like the Enigmail performance. Let him build his own crpyto program. Nor do I care for your snide reply. I didn't mind when I was receiving information on bugs and their fixes but I don't nee

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 01/06/2015 04:23 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > The point here is (I know, it's not well enough documented) that I > decided to ignore per-recipient rules for BCC recipient; and we also > decided to exclude BCC recipients from some of the logic for > enabling/disabling encryption. Unfortunatel

Re: [Enigmail] General Opinion and unverified bug

2015-01-06 Thread Editor
And, this isn't political? Buzz off. Ed Just wanted to say...I'm so sorry you are exposed to and abused by demented people like this: http://sixdemonbag.org/threat.xhtml <3. It is embarrassing to be a member of the same crowd as people like this - users who are paranoid Well, thank you. I sho

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread afreewoman
If I am understanding this issue correctly, a plausible real world scenario for bcc'ing encrypted recipients is one I ran into last week: I am working on a project that requires interaction with 3 different stakeholder teams. All use encrypted email, but do not interact with one another directly,

Re: [Enigmail] General Opinion and unverified bug

2015-01-06 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06.01.15 19:17, Editor wrote: > I think you missed the point. I don't care to hear the surly comments > from people like Kristy who don't like the Enigmail performance. Let > him build his own crpyto program. Well, from Kristies last posts I coul

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06.01.15 19:23, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > (...) > I think the right thing to do is to treat Bcc: recipients the same as > the To: or Cc: recipients, whether that's with "convenient" settings or > per-address rules. > > I believe this is a clo

[Enigmail] having trouble setting up enigmail.

2015-01-06 Thread Joe
Hello all. hoping I can get some quick help/pointers. I send test emails to the adele bot and it keeps sending this back. " Unfortunately I could not encrypt my reply to you. A possible reason is that the key you sent me might be a signing-only key (set so during key generation). You can sign with

Re: [Enigmail] having trouble setting up enigmail.

2015-01-06 Thread Alexander Buchner
On 06.01.2015 19:30, Joe wrote: > Hello all. hoping I can get some quick help/pointers. I send test emails > to the adele bot and it keeps sending this back. > " > Unfortunately I could not encrypt my reply to you. A possible reason is > that the key you sent me might be a signing-only key (set so

Re: [Enigmail] BCC issues 1.7.2

2015-01-06 Thread Philip Jackson
On 06/01/15 20:14, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > On 06.01.15 19:23, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > >> (...) >> I think the right thing to do is to treat Bcc: recipients the same as >> the To: or Cc: recipients, whether that's with "convenient" settings or >> per-address rules. > >> I believe this is

Re: [Enigmail] having trouble setting up enigmail.

2015-01-06 Thread Ian Mann
attach your Public Key and send. On 07/01/15 05:30, Joe wrote: > Hello all. hoping I can get some quick help/pointers. I send test emails > to the adele bot and it keeps sending this back. > " > Unfortunately I could not encrypt my reply to you. A possible reason is > that the key you sent me mi