Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread Jose O Gonzalez
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:36:59 -0700 Ben Ford writes: David Seikel wrote: Alternatively we could always have menus re arrange themselves based on frequent usage. That would make everybody happy. B-) NO. I disagree, that sounds like a great idea! And then maybe also a

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread opengunfus-e
--- dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A window manager does not know if closing this window closes the application, or if closing this window can be easily reversed by the application just opening it again. For these reasons, I think that the Close item on the E17 window menu

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread opengunfus-e
My comments are not here.. hmm what happend? [EMAIL PROTECTED] can you foward the private note that I send you in regards to this topic? Thanks. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A window manager does not know if closing this window closes the

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread David Stevenson
On 10/21/05, Jose O Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:36:59 -0700 Ben Ford writes: David Seikel wrote: Alternatively we could always have menus re arrange themselves based on frequent usage.That would make everybody happy.B-) NO.I disagree, that sounds like a great idea!

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread jochen
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:30:38 +1300 jochen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: David Seikel wrote: When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for greater usability, and it looks like I will have to do the same when I port my theme to E17. In an effort

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:28:20 +1300 jochen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Ah well I guess I have to learn to use ctrl-alt x instead, or just keep a little patch for the default theme which reverts the reordering. menu order is a theme thing isn't it? no - it's in the code :) personalyl i think

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread Michael Jennings
On Saturday, 22 October 2005, at 12:27:19 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: really i DO see bnoth sides to this argument, and both have merit. i just think this one leans more tothe change the order side of things. maybe in the long term we could provide ways of having the menu re-ordered and

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread jochen
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:28:20 +1300 jochen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Ah well I guess I have to learn to use ctrl-alt x instead, or just keep a little patch for the default theme which reverts the reordering. menu order is a theme thing isn't it? no

[E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread David Seikel
When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for greater usability, and it looks like I will have to do the same when I port my theme to E17. In an effort to avoid menu hacking in a theme, I will go over those changes and their reasons now. First of all is the position of the Close and

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread dan sinclair
A window manager does not know if closing this window closes the application, or if closing this window can be easily reversed by the application just opening it again. For these reasons, I think that the Close item on the E17 window menu should be at the bottom of the menu, and not at the

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread dan sinclair
The point is to make it a little bit harder to kill an application by accident. Adding an extra two mouse moves and an extra click is a small price to pay if it saves you hours of work because you accidentally selected Kill from the menu. Notice that I didn't advocate making the window

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread David Sharp
On 10/20/05, David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:43:19 -0400 dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A window manager does not know if closing this window closes the application, or if closing this window can be easily reversed by the application just opening it

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:34:47 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for greater usability, and it looks like I will have to do the same when I port my theme to E17. In an effort to avoid menu hacking in a theme, I will go over those

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:04:59 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:43:19 -0400 dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A window manager does not know if closing this window closes the application, or if closing this window can be easily reversed by the

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:15:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:34:47 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: the Close item on the E17 window menu should be at the bottom of the menu, and not at the top. The same argument applies

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
Are there any plans for window menu configuration? Otherwise, re-ordering by frequency of use might suit people better. Personally, I only use the menu to setup remember settings.On 10/20/05, jochen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Seikel wrote: When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:42:58 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:15:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:34:47 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: the Close item on the E17 window menu

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:48:55 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Are there any plans for window menu configuration? Otherwise, re-ordering by frequency of use might suit people better. Personally, I only use the menu to setup remember settings. this has its uses - but also there

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread Ben Ford
David Seikel wrote: Alternatively we could always have menus re arrange themselves based on frequent usage. That would make everybody happy. B-) NO. -- Dear Outlook users: Please remove me from your address books http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/08/21/143258