I am wondering how the very high price of the 1Ds can be justified. The
housing is similar in cost to the 1V + battery grip which goes for about
2k. The additional electronics, back LCD, software etc is maybe $1k max.
Then add another $1k for the sensor to get to a total of $4k. Do not
subtract the
At 11:22 AM +0900 8/21/04, Karen Nakamura wrote:
There's a huge price gap between the EOS-20D and the EOS-1D MarkII. I'm sure
they can create something that fits in there.
I think one of the posters who said that the market is either people
who would bu y the 20D for $1500 or who would pay $4500 f
At 6:11 PM -0700 8/20/04, Marius Sundbakken wrote:
One major bummer in the 20D is the shorter burst
when shooting RAW, only 6 frames vs. 9 with 10D.
I couldn't care less about speed with JPEGs.
OTOH, dpreview reports they got 36 frames at 5 fps
rather than the advertised 23, using fine JPEG
with 1G
Interestingly, I could deal with a bit heavier but not bigger.
In particular the non-removable vertical handle in the 1D
series is a total show-stopper for about 80% of my shooting,
or rather camera-carrying: I can (and frequently do) hike
for a week with EOS 3 or 10D in a waist bag, but not with
v
At 6:33 PM -0500 8/20/04, Tom Pfeiffer wrote:
What's struck me most about the 20D is that although it's priced like a
consumer digital SLR, everything in Canon's press release says "for
professional use". Wedding and news photographers especially. This makes me
believe that Canon felt this was the
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 05:35:51PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Well, this is what I need from my camera:
> - 8.2 megapixel+
Yep.
> - 1.3x factor (gives a better quality than 1.6x because of the size
> of the sensor)
I'd like that, but more for wide angle than quality r
> Pritner resolution in dpi is different than, and can't really be related
to, image resolution in ppi. Yes, an Epson printer can lay down 720 or more
dots per inch, but multiple dots of various colors and sizes are used to
represent one pixel, so the number of pixels per inch is significantly low
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:03:15PM -0700, Bob Meyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > 5. bigger, not smaller
>
> ==> I could deal with larger, but not heavier, for my
> use.
Interestingly, I could deal with a bit heavier but not bigger.
In particular the non-removable vertical handle in the 1D
seri
On Friday August 20 2004 11:50 pm, Bob Meyer wrote:
> --- David Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Of course, your printer will almost certinaly
> > re-sample
> > to the 720 dpi or 1440 dpi or whatever it's capable
> > of,
> > so it's never a direct a 1:1 translation of pixels
> > to
> > ink dro
--- David Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Of course, your printer will almost certinaly
> re-sample
> to the 720 dpi or 1440 dpi or whatever it's capable
> of,
> so it's never a direct a 1:1 translation of pixels
> to
> ink drops.
Pritner resolution in dpi is different than, and can't
re
--- "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Alan Bell wrote:
>
> 8.2 megapixel will allow for what size (high
> resolution) image or print?
>
Remember that the larger the print, the lower the
*print* resolution is needed, b
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From: "dwarf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: EOS D20... Is that what we expected???
> Good afternoon to all,
>
> With the announcement of the 20D, my question is, is that what we were
> expecting? The 20D is
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Meyer
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: EOS OT: Capture 1 like software for JPEGs
>
>
> I use Capture One for processing of RAW files. Or
> perhaps I should sa
--- Tom Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
but to me this camera (which
> is admittedly nicer
> than my 10D) needs a few things I would expect in a
> pro camera:
>
> 1. decent spot metering
==> I would have agreed with this a few years ago, but
Canon's evaluative metering has gotten so good
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quoting Konstantinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Isn't the 1dMK2 (second in order after the Ds) the
> equivalent of the EOS3 ?
>
> Well, this is what I need from my camera:
> - 8.2 megapixel+
==> Got that one covered.
> - 1.3x factor (gives a better quality than
On Friday August 20 2004 11:19 pm, Bob Meyer wrote:
> I use Capture One for processing of RAW files. Or
> perhaps I should say I'm learning to use C1. But I
> don't always shoot RAW, and C1 seems to have
> significant weaknesses dealing with JPG files.
>
> What is the Wisdom of the List as far as
- Original Message -
From: "Michael D Early" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: EOS Henry Posner and the Evil Empire
> Yup and he probably buys his gas at the highest price around just to make
> sure that the smaller stations st
I use Capture One for processing of RAW files. Or
perhaps I should say I'm learning to use C1. But I
don't always shoot RAW, and C1 seems to have
significant weaknesses dealing with JPG files.
What is the Wisdom of the List as far as similar
programs for handling large numbers of JPEGs?
TIA,
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From: "bud kuenzli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: EOS dealers for 20D
> where to order? anyone have a dealer that is reliable, will take an
> order now, and can be expected to get some when they first come
- Original Message -
From: "Pattie Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:53 PM
Subject: RE: EOS 20D
Skip wrote:
> Well, I just put my order in at my dealer for 2, one with the
> packaged 17-85 f4-5.6 IS.
If you mind my nosiness, please s
There's a huge price gap between the EOS-20D and the EOS-1D MarkII. I'm sure
they can create something that fits in there.
I think one of the posters who said that the market is either people
who would bu y the 20D for $1500 or who would pay $4500 for the
1DmkII. Not many $3000 buyers out there.
> -Original Message-
>Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:33:05 -0500
>From: "Tom Pfeiffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: EOS D20... Is that what we expected???
>
> . . . We all have our favorite features (some want ECF, others want
higher RAW frame rates) but to me this camera (which admittedly
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Marius Sundbakken
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:29 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: EOS D20... Is that what we expected???
> Different grip because the 20D has a different size. The 20D
On Friday August 20 2004 6:19 pm, Michael Stevens wrote:
> > 8.2 megapixel will allow for what size (high resolution) image or print?
>
> My 1D.2 will give me an 8x10 at 300 dpi straight from the camera, providing
> I don't have to crop. I've gotten 16x20s from my 4MP 1D with little
> problem. I kn
What I do not like about the EOS-20D:
- Why a different grip from the 10D and D60??? Why different batteries? The
BP-511 worked just fine, I never ran out of batteries on my D60!
Different grip because the 20D has a different size. The 20D is supposed to
have longer battery life.
- No interchang
With the announcement of the 20D, my question is, is that what we were
expecting? The 20D is nice and all, but I was hoping for a more professional
3D or similar... The 20D is still not up to my expectations... I'm still
waiting for a replacement for my EOS-3 and the annoucement of the 20D is way
One major bummer in the 20D is the shorter burst
when shooting RAW, only 6 frames vs. 9 with 10D.
I couldn't care less about speed with JPEGs.
OTOH, dpreview reports they got 36 frames at 5 fps
rather than the advertised 23, using fine JPEG
with 1GB SanDisk Ultra II card.
That suggests the 20D has
If the 20D had ECF I'd be in the preoder list already.
Why won't they release a digital body with ECF? The 20D
has everything else I want (although it's still VERY
expensive at $2500 with the 17-85IS and 580EX).
Jim
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What's struck me most about the 20D is that although it's priced like a
consumer digital SLR, everything in Canon's press release says "for
professional use". Wedding and news photographers especially. This makes me
believe that Canon felt this was the EOS 3 clone we're all waiting for. Is
it? Not
> Then a Mark II it'll have to be... I'm about to kill my D60 because it's
so bloody slow... I'll probably sell my D60 and EOS-3 or trade them both for
the Mark II.- Patrice
I wouldn't hesitate to say sell 'em both. I held on to my 3 for a year and a
half and just two or three months ago sold it o
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: EOS D20... Is that what we expected???
>There's a huge price gap between the EOS-20D and the EOS-1D MarkII. I'm
>sure they can create something that fits in there.
The price gap is huge, but the technology gap is not. It's hard to imagine a
camera with a su
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:02:02 -0700
> From: "Alan Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: EOS D20... Is that what we expected???
>
> 8.2 megapixel will allow for what size (high
> resolution) image or print?
>
>
any size, if you are willing to interpolate and see the
artifacts at large size
> I wouldn't be stunned to find that the 20D is faster, at least sometimes.
The 1v is faster then the 3. The 7 (and 7n) have been advertised as being
as fast as the 1v, at least under some specific circumstances. The 10d
should have the same focusing system as the 7, and the 20d is clearly newer
Quoting Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> You're in the same boat I was two years ago. I had an EOS 3 and I knew the
> D60 would do nothing but frustrate me due to it's lack of focus speed and 4
> fps. So, I held out until the price dropped on the 1D to $4k. Then I got
> lucky and got a refur
Alan Bell wrote:
8.2 megapixel will allow for what size (high resolution) image or print?
Without res up or interpolation programs about an 11x14 depending on subject you could
go to 16x20.
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> But it's me being used to my EOS-3 and really wanting something equivalent
in
digital. The EOS-20D is clearly not it... And the EOS-1D II is waaay too
expensive for me...
You're in the same boat I was two years ago. I had an EOS 3 and I knew the
D60 would do nothing but frustrate me due to i
> 8.2 megapixel will allow for what size (high resolution) image or print?
My 1D.2 will give me an 8x10 at 300 dpi straight from the camera, providing
I don't have to crop. I've gotten 16x20s from my 4MP 1D with little problem.
I know of others that have gone 20x30 with excellent results. Having t
On Aug 20, 2004, at 2:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I do not like about the EOS-20D:
- Why a different grip from the 10D and D60??? Why different
batteries? The
BP-511 worked just fine, I never ran out of batteries on my D60!
The grip is different because the body is smaller. The old grip
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 03:02:02PM -0700, Alan Bell wrote:
>8.2 megapixel will allow for what size (high resolution) image or print?
A little over 8x12 or so. A dye-sub printer is usually 300dpi. Just
divide the resolution by 300. You can get an ok print at 200dpi
probably, and a tolerable prin
8.2 megapixel will allow for what size (high resolution) image or print?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 2:36 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: EOS D20... Is that what we expected
On Aug 20, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Stefan Gerris wrote:
Hi,
In the 20D hype, the following releases appear to go unnoted. Got the
email
from EOS Magazine and was surprised by the 300X... Not that I'm on the
market for one, but the update in entry level models appears to speed
up -
maybe trying to keep
Quoting Konstantinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Isn't the 1dMK2 (second in order after the Ds) the equivalent of the EOS3 ?
Well, this is what I need from my camera:
- 8.2 megapixel+
- 1.3x factor (gives a better quality than 1.6x because of the size of the
sensor)
- ECF (please, please, please)
Hi,
In the 20D hype, the following releases appear to go unnoted. Got the email
from EOS Magazine and was surprised by the 300X... Not that I'm on the
market for one, but the update in entry level models appears to speed up -
maybe trying to keep pace with digital or even driven by the updates
ava
On 20 Aug 2004 at 21:24, Keith Green wrote:
> Now that many of us are either over or underwhelmed, by the D20, does
> anyone expect any more imminent releases from Canon. A 200D, perhaps?
1Ds-II;))
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The desire to understand
is sometimes fa
It would make a lot better backup to the 1DMkII if it used the same type of
battery -- hate carrying two different chargers around.
Regards,
Mike
> -Original Message-
...The 20D has me second guessing my decision to buy the mkII.
> The mkII is more powerful, but with price points in
Yup and he probably buys his gas at the highest price around just to make
sure that the smaller stations stay in business -- and probably never buys
from Amazon or discount warehouse stores like Costco,Sams, BJ's either. I
guess everyone is entitled to their own rants but I personally enjoy the
co
Now that many of us are either over or underwhelmed, by the D20, does anyone
expect any more imminent releases from Canon.
A 200D, perhaps?
Cheers
Keith
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> For me, there won't be a digital equivalent of the
> EOS-3 until it has ECF
> (gosh, I miss it!).
My previous two AF EOS bodies were A2E and -3, didn't use the ECF feature
on both of them after the initial novalty worn off, I wished I had just
bought the plain A2 and wished I didn't have to pay
--- Pattie Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Konstantinos wrote:
> For me, there won't be a digital equivalent of the
> EOS-3 until it has ECF
> (gosh, I miss it!).
ECF seems to be less and less important to Canon. I
think the 3 and the Elan 7 series are the only bodies
that offer it now.
> Isn't the 1dMK2 (second in order after the Ds) the equivalent of the EOS3
?
Wouldn't it be called the 3D if it were? :)
As I said in my earlier post the two bodies are so similar that it makes no
sense for Canon to make a 3D. The only differences I can recall between the
1 & 3 are better weathe
--- dwarf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good afternoon to all,
>
> With the announcement of the 20D, my question is, is
> that what we were
> expecting? The 20D is nice and all, but I was hoping
> for a more professional
> 3D or similar... The 20D is still not up to my
> expectations... I'm still
Konstantinos wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "dwarf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'm still
>> waiting for a replacement for my EOS-3
>
> Isn't the 1dMK2 (second in order after the Ds) the
> equivalent of the EOS3 ?
For me, there won't be a digital equivalent of the EOS-3 until it has ECF
(
At 12:58 PM 8/20/2004, Harman Bajwa wrote:
>Interesteing read though, but I am sure there are many
>other inconsistencies.
>
>Apologize for this OT post but I had to get it out.
Okay, I'm de-lurking because although I will tolerate lots of bad economics, some
things are just way out of line.
Thi
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From: "dwarf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'm still
> waiting for a replacement for my EOS-3
Isn't the 1dMK2 (second in order after the Ds) the equivalent of the EOS3 ?
Just asking.
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Me too. The 20D has me second guessing my decision to buy the mkII.
The mkII is more powerful, but with price points in mind , its not 3
times more powerful.
It will make an excellent backup.
I guess this is what digital has in store for us , at least for the next
several years.
-Original M
FWIW, I think all of you that are hoping for a 3D are in for a long wait ...
Considering the very slight differences between the 1 & 3 it doesn't make
sense that Canon would make one. Since the 3 is very close in specs. to the
1 a 3D would basically be a 1D without some of the weather sealing. I kn
It's more than I expected. I would have bet against 8mp. This will
eat into MKII territory. Better autofocus? Great. All I really cared
about was ETTL II, so all the rest is icing on the cake. Along with
the new 580 flash I'm hoping this will go a long way toward solving
the 10D flash problems
> Apparently B&H is now bigger than Ritz in purchasing
> power, and is
> threatening to corner the marketplace! And all this
> time I though it was
> good service and price that got them there, turns
> out they've been
> cheating!! ;-)
>
> No mention of any of the other dealers who have
> comparab
Good afternoon to all,
With the announcement of the 20D, my question is, is that what we were
expecting? The 20D is nice and all, but I was hoping for a more professional
3D or similar... The 20D is still not up to my expectations... I'm still
waiting for a replacement for my EOS-3 and the annouce
I came across this unbelievable item on eBay, which I guess is becoming a
political platform now as well as an auction site.
Apparently B&H is now bigger than Ritz in purchasing power, and is
threatening to corner the marketplace! And all this time I though it was
good service and price that got t
On Friday August 20 2004 11:08 am, bud kuenzli wrote:
> where to order? anyone have a dealer that is reliable, will take an
> order now, and can be expected to get some when they first come out?
> I realize a price isn't set, but I would like to get this asap.
> Getting the MKII was a zoo.
Canoga
I've gone ahead and put my name on the Adorama waiting list for the
20D. The games begin.
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where to order? anyone have a dealer that is reliable, will take an
order now, and can be expected to get some when they first come out?
I realize a price isn't set, but I would like to get this asap.
Getting the MKII was a zoo.
--
Bud Kuenzli
In cyberspace when you get where you're going you
One major bummer in the 20D is the shorter burst
when shooting RAW, only 6 frames vs. 9 with 10D.
I couldn't care less about speed with JPEGs.
OTOH, dpreview reports they got 36 frames at 5 fps
rather than the advertised 23, using fine JPEG
with 1GB SanDisk Ultra II card.
That suggests the 20D ha
According to dpreview:
Weight (no batts) : 100 g
Surely that can't be right. It's marginally smaller compared to the 550ex.
Does anybody know it's real weight ?
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It's all beautiful, some major improvements but I would say, nothing
that's not in synch with what one would expect 1,5 years after release
of its predecessor. There is, however, one critical thing still missing
that you would expect in a camera like this, given that the technique
has been used by
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