Re: [Eug-lug] Fwd: Lane County SAO Brew Pub Reminder

2007-02-20 Thread Mr O
There is still Dew, Doritios, and other snacks out in the garage as well. My door will still be open from 7pm 'til whenever. I never make it to SAO since I've got a shop to run. Have to do my best just to be home by 6:30! So, the door is open. Turn away no one I will. --- Neil Parker <[EMAIL PRO

Re: [Eug-lug] Fwd: Lane County SAO Brew Pub Reminder

2007-02-20 Thread Neil Parker
Larry price wrote, >*Tech Brew Pub* >Thursday Feb 22 >Time: 5:30 - 7:30pm >Rogue Tap House, Downstairs Room, 844 Olive Street >Cost: Free OK...we need to figure out how this affects the Euglug meeting. Shall we make the usual assumption: No regular meeting, but gather for dinner after SAO?

Re: [Eug-lug] Euglug Digest

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
The list's mailman page says: Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?(yes/no) Maybe someone was changing the clock, trying to pre-empt the DST change? ben On 2/20/07, Jim K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There have been 6 Euglug Digests sent out today. Is the Digest

[Eug-lug] Euglug Digest

2007-02-20 Thread Jim K
There have been 6 Euglug Digests sent out today. Is the Digest sent after every so many posts or daily, whichever comes sooner? Or did something go wrong on the server? Jim K ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listi

Re: [Eug-lug] Tech support funny

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
LMFAO, rotf, etc sending this to my parents!! [tHaNk YoU.] On 2/20/07, Ralph Zeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.flixxy.com/medieval-tech-support.htm ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/eugl

[Eug-lug] Tech support funny

2007-02-20 Thread Ralph Zeller
http://www.flixxy.com/medieval-tech-support.htm ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] keyboard equivalent?

2007-02-20 Thread Allen Brown
I've augmented the optics to allow the mouse to track at a distance of about 8 inches. The idea was to create a navigation device for FIRST Robotics competition. http://www.usfirst.org/ I've tried to get the students moving on this but it appears to be to great a challenge for them. -- Allen Bro

[Eug-lug] Fwd: Lane County SAO Brew Pub Reminder

2007-02-20 Thread larry price
Just FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Lane Chapter Software Association of Oregon < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Feb 19, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Lane County SAO Brew Pub Reminder To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [image: www.sao.org]

RE: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content protection, hardware and the death of open source in the "consumer" world.

2007-02-20 Thread Jason LaPier
> I picked this up from another list - Dell is offering laptops > without MS (see first link below). The second link is > interesting on the subject as > well. Hope this helps > Regards > Fred James > ?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~ck

Re: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content protection, hardware and the death of open source in the "consumer" world.

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
COCAINE. That, and the ego of world domination, making him think he is a twenty-something, DJ'ing a rave or something!! They're COMPLETE IDIOTS for blaming piracy. Duh, we all know piracy helped get MS to dominate the market. They waited 5 years for this, then blame... piracy. I'd like to see

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
I absolutly agree with you about what is being called "real time" being too late (unless it is done on the network, where interruption for allow/deny choices becomes more difficult). General purpose OS's are not built for RTC needs, so I simply don't think that these computing defintions apply to

Re: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content protection, hardware and the death of open source in the "consumer" world.

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Miller
I don't know if any of you saw this news head line this weekend. "Ballmer: Piracy to Blame For Slow Vista Sales" http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6156 I don't know what they are sticking in the water in Redmond Washington and Southfield Michigan. Or what would make a man do this.

RE: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content protection, hardware and the death of open source in the "consumer" world.

2007-02-20 Thread Jason LaPier
Haha - nice catch Ben. I got burned. It's a sign of the speed at which the tech business changes when a 31 year-old is made to feel old because he remembers the days when vendors offered previous versions of Windows for many years after the new versions were released... P.S. I'm still not support

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Miller
Ben, I agree with your points. This is my problem with the word real time scanning. In computing real time operations are defined as this. "In computer science, real-time computing (RTC) is the study of hardware and software systems which are subject to a "real-time constraint" —ie. operationa

Re: [Eug-lug] who is doing the website?

2007-02-20 Thread Rob Hudson
I think the original intention was to be about EUGLUG's website but since it is a very low volume list, I certainly wouldn't mind the addition of general web development topics. Speaking of which, the SAO is this Thursday with the topic of rapid prototyping of web applications presented by Mic

Re: [Eug-lug] SPAM

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Miller
I don't believe it's Microsoft's fault for not providing the update. I do believe it's there business and priority to provide notification. They did provide some notification thought there Security Blog and off color press from CNet and other online news outlets. I think some of the issues at han

Re: [Eug-lug] who is doing the website?

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
So this list is about EUGLUG's internal webdev process, and not about web development in general? (sounds like it!) thanks muchly, ben On 2/20/07, Michael Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe the process is 100% open. All you have to do is join the list ( I believe. ) and wait for di

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
Hmm, I have to say I'm not really much more scared about this than as with any other web browsing. To the end-users I support, who are just as likely to "accidentally" click on some bad email attachment or "accidentally" surf into nether regions, there is little or no difference. It *almost* appe

Re: [Eug-lug] who is doing the website?

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Miller
I believe the process is 100% open. All you have to do is join the list ( I believe. ) and wait for dissuasion about webdev. You will get the cron job notices about updates on Tux. -Miller On 2/20/07, Ben Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, is the Webdev list all about EUGLUG's web dev?? O

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Miller
Ya your right Ben, I should have posted a example or two. http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/734 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/google-search-api-worms I know there is a lot of hype out there about this. Some of this is just theory and some of it is or will be fact when some one re

Re: [Eug-lug] who is doing the website?

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
So, is the Webdev list all about EUGLUG's web dev?? Or general FOSS webdev? Looks like only cron-apt was discussed there in the last month, which doesn't have a whole lot to do with webdev ;) I was going to ask if I have to attend a meeting to even hear a discussion about the group's website, bu

Re: [Eug-lug] SPAM

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
I have a question about this, since the discussion seems to skirt the issue: Do you believe that Microsoft is liable for damages that might ensue for not performing a [simple, logical] code update to their older products? If I was a day-trader, I'd consider my workstation, its OS, the trading sof

Re: [Eug-lug] who is doing the website?

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Miller
Larry and I one talked about re-doing the website via word press. This may be a more attractive idea. I really don't see anything wrong with re-doing the website with Django or Wordpress. -Miller On 2/20/07, Rob Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/ Ben Bar

Re: [Eug-lug] who is doing the website?

2007-02-20 Thread Rob Hudson
http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/ Ben Barrett wrote: Please post a reference to the "web-dev" group list you speak of... ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Daylight Savings as of 2007

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Miller
I'm thinking of converting my servers to all use UTC. That way I don't have to worry about local time zone settings. Well other than user profile time zone settings. -Miller On 2/16/07, Fred James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matthew Jarvis wrote: > Bob Miller wrote: > >> Matthew Jarvis wrote:

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
Are you asking if we know that AJAX can do things that we should consider scary? (I think I agree... but...) How about giving a few examples of why we should be so scared? There are a LOT of folks who won't disable JS since it "breaks the web" almost as much (in their opinion) and unplugging net

Re: [Eug-lug] who is doing the website?

2007-02-20 Thread Ben Barrett
Please post a reference to the "web-dev" group list you speak of... On 2/20/07, Rob Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, the euglug website is way out of date. We've been threatening to rewrite it using Django but I think we all got busy. We've been using Django for about 4 months at work n

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Miller
Real time scanning is over rated in my book. The only time you need to scan items real time is when your receiving e-mail. If you turn off Active X and java script ( If you can. ) You should be fine. It's really scary what we can do with AJAX and Java script in the web browser. I'm sure most o

Re: [Eug-lug] SPAM

2007-02-20 Thread Michael Miller
last I heard they may have done a about face on this as well. They being Microsoft are not releasing any fixes for Windows 2000 to fix the daylight savings fiasco that the United States congress created. It's like Y2k all over again. Yet we are past Y2K. I'm wondering how many stock orders or o

Re: [Eug-lug] keyboard equivalent?

2007-02-20 Thread Mike Cherba
And I thought I was wierd because I always rotated the mouspad before I used it. i just liked it better in the wrong orientation. -Mike The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer profess

Re: [Eug-lug] who is doing the website?

2007-02-20 Thread Rob Hudson
Yes, the euglug website is way out of date. We've been threatening to rewrite it using Django but I think we all got busy. We've been using Django for about 4 months at work now so I think once we got the ball rolling, a new website would come together quickly. Maybe this post will spark a c

Re: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content protection, hardware and the death of open source in the "consumer" world.

2007-02-20 Thread Mr O
Vista and XP can coexist peacefully on one drive. I've not tried linux and Vista on one drive. As cheap as hard drives are these days I would rather put that *other* OS on its own drive. It matters not what the OS decides to do to the MBR then. Of course you can't do that so easily on a laptop. FWI

Re: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content protection, hardware and the death of open source in the "consumer" world.

2007-02-20 Thread larry price
On 2/20/07, Bob Crandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's getting harder to find laptops without Vista. We are getting an ever increasing number of requests to upgrade Vista to XP. How well does it play in a dual boot setup? (Vista, not the upgrade)

Re: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content protection, hardware and the death of open source in the "consumer" world.

2007-02-20 Thread Fred James
Bob Crandell wrote: It's getting harder to find laptops without Vista. We are getting an ever increasing number of requests to upgrade Vista to XP Bob Crandell I picked this up from another list - Dell is offering laptops without MS (see first link below). The second link is interesting on

Re: [Eug-lug] Narrowing Vistas, content protection, hardware and the death of open source in the "consumer" world.

2007-02-20 Thread Bob Crandell
It's getting harder to find laptops without Vista. We are getting an ever increasing number of requests to upgrade Vista to XP. On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 19:26 -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: > Re: years from now... (see Jason's last line) Bummer! It has been > less than 60 days... > didn't someone men