elaborates on the
proposal to create an Eclipse technology project (Beacon).
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From: "Ralph Zeller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group"
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] bad news for MySQL
My favorite IDE when I have actually used one is SlickEdit. Yes it
costs money (unfortunately $284 which is kinda pricey), but You can
customize pretty much everything. It supports Java as well as a C, C++,
Python, and a whole raft of other languages. It will happily use
whichever compiler you t
I had tried many Java IDEs before and kept going back to vi. Most of
the IDEs were cumbersome - both to use and in memory/CPU consumption.
I've been using eclipse for about a year and have to say I'm
convinced that it is better than just using an editor (which is a big
switch for me). It ha
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 04:03:17PM -0700, M. Bitner wrote:
> I already switched to Postgres because of this:
>
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2C1895%2C1855483%2C00.asp
Good reason to switch, IMO.
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 03:56:03PM -0700, larry price wrote:
> 1. see http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/09/22/gpl3.html for the
> RMS version, the basic takeaway is that there would be some form of
> perfomance clause, where you have to feed back your changes to the
> codebase even if you are
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 08:04 pm, Mr O wrote:
> It really depends if you're doing it with the right person. Then
> you have a tasty treat afterwards. Err...
>
> --- Mike Cherba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I hesitate to ask, but what exactly is wading through syrup
> > like? It sounds fun.
>
One more vote for Eclipse. It is heavy but when you get used to it
there's a lot of stuff it can do for you. Since it's designed to use
plugins for feature extensions there are a lot of extra tools out
there (both free and commercial) to extend the environment.
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Patrick R. Wade wrote:
On the one hand, it will gratuitously alienate some Linux adopters
that *have* been embracing and extending Linux behind closed doors
(Google comes to mind) and inspire them to re-think the benefits of
*BSD. On the other hand, it will add more fuel to the "viral license
On 10/12/05, Patrick R. Wade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Miller wrote:
>
> > GPL-3 does not appear to be a shitstorm to me. It looks like a fairly
> > sensible response to the trend of keeping apps on one's own server
> > farm. Some apps will become free (as in speech) when free subsystems
>
Pretty much all the Java devs where I work use Eclipse, for what it's worth. When I ask questions
about some part of the codebase, their first response is "do you have Eclipse installed?" It is a
significant boon to working on Java projects, especially larger ones, for the reasons Ralph
mentions
Bob Miller wrote:
GPL-3 does not appear to be a shitstorm to me. It looks like a fairly
sensible response to the trend of keeping apps on one's own server
farm. Some apps will become free (as in speech) when free subsystems
adopt GPL-3. Others will switch to proprietary alternatives, which
wi
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Mr O wrote:
> It really depends if you're doing it with the right person. Then
> you have a tasty treat afterwards. Err...
>
> --- Mike Cherba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I hesitate to ask, but what exactly is wading through syrup
> > like? It sounds fun.
Not always
Ralph Zeller wrote:
On 10/12/05 12am, larry price wrote:
By the way, what's a good IDE to use with Java? My son is taking a
beginning Java class, and he's using "eclipse" as a development
interface. It seems pretty cumbersome, and so does "netbeans," but
maybe that's just my perspective as a co
On 10/12/05 12am, larry price wrote:
> for a more computer related one:
> programming Java without an IDE
It's hopeless, Larry. Whatever metaphor you use will distract us from
your message.
By the way, what's a good IDE to use with Java? My son is taking a
beginning Java class, and he's using
maybe i should have used a different metaphor:
Swimming through quicksand
Typing with chopsticks
something that would convey the mindless tedium and pointless
syntactic obstacle course that is the glory of Transact-SQL
for a more computer related one:
programming Java without an IDE
On 10/11/05,
larry price wrote:
> Oracle just purchased InnoBase which is the company from which MySqlAB
> is licensing the code for transactions, triggers and other features of
> a full RDBMS solution.
I fail to see the problem. MySQL, including InnoDB, is GPL-2.
Therefore, the current release is free and w
Dude, you havnt lived till youve waded through syrup...
Jamie
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 07:16 pm, Mike Cherba wrote:
> > OTOH writing
> > transact-SQL is like wading through syrup.
>
> I hesitate to ask, but what exactly is wading through syrup like? It
> sounds fun.
It really depends if you're doing it with the right person. Then
you have a tasty treat afterwards. Err...
--- Mike Cherba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hesitate to ask, but what exactly is wading through syrup
> like? It sounds fun.
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> OTOH writing
> transact-SQL is like wading through syrup.
I hesitate to ask, but what exactly is wading through syrup like? It sounds
fun.
--
"The danger from computers is not that they will eventually get as smart
as men, but that we will meanwhile agree to meet them halfway." -Bernard
Avas
On 10/11/05, Rob Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So which databases are good alternatives (that kick mysql's butt around
> the block)? (I think I know the answer, but it sounds like an
> interesting discussion)
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PostgreSQL
Rob Hudson wrote:
So which databases are good alternatives (that kick mysql's butt around
the block)? (I think I know the answer, but it sounds like an
interesting discussion)
SQLite is increasingly popular.
One issue, however, is that for any installed codebase, migration *off*
of FooSQL
My preference for postgres was set some time ago by a combination of
factors, including direct experience of what happens when MyISAM files
get corrupted.
Postgres has had transactions, triggers and stored procedures for
quite some time, mysql has had "optional" (read bolt on) support for
these fo
So which databases are good alternatives (that kick mysql's butt around
the block)? (I think I know the answer, but it sounds like an
interesting discussion)
larry price wrote:
Of course there are plenty of superior databases out there, which kick
mysql's butt around the block on features, s
I already switched to Postgres because of this:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2C1895%2C1855483%2C00.asp
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Oracle just purchased InnoBase which is the company from which MySqlAB
is licensing the code for transactions, triggers and other features of
a full RDBMS solution.
I know that usually license trivia is about as interesting to read as
accounts of dental sur
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