[EVDL] Old-school ~40's pump turned public EVSE, Odwalla e-deliveries

2014-12-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV
% I found a couple of items in the newswire below that was more interesting than the headline the creative way the public EVSE was implemented at a Santa Cruz CA store. For those that have not been to Santa Cruz, there is an ample supply of artistic talent within the Santa Cruz county mountain

[EVDL] EVLN: Barnes' evnorthcarolina.com conversion shop spins-off hot EVs

2014-12-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.citizen-times.com/story/money/business/2014/12/13/waynesville-conversion-shop-riding-electric-car-trend/20380949/ Waynesville conversion shop riding electric car trend Caitlin Byrd December 13, 2014 [image

[EVDL] EVLN: I realized that I’d married my EV

2014-12-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV
and gosh darn it, this is worth it.” http://blog.rmi.org/blog_2014_12_10_how_and_why_I_married_my_EV How and Why I Married My EV Peter Bronski Dec 10, 2014 [image (marriage cans tied to the back) ] When I last wrote about electric vehicles (EVs), I focused on range anxiety—and more

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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[EVDL] Media misinterpreted academic report: PNAS report cites study that EV's ...

2014-12-21 Thread brucedp5 via EV
When I saw all the copy-cat reports of the paid-media's misinterpretation of that report all over the newswires like a multiple of wormy-droppings, my first thought was, Here we go again ... How many times has it been that the media has been paid to pump/spew this stuff out. The forces that

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Ben, With all good intentions, I don't buy your arguments. Here's why. First, using CO2 multiple times is not an improvement unless it is replaces CO2 that would have been otherwise generated. For example, using CO2 from power plant emissions in fracking doesn't help unless fracking has to

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Ben, It doesn't matter how many times you reuse the CO2 before putting it into the atmosphere. If it goes into the atmosphere, you no longer have zero net gain. How do you see reusing the CO2 improving the picture? And second, as I said, I'd rather use solar or wind to directly generate

[EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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[EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-21 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Sun Dec 21 12:24:58 PST 2014 ev@lists.evdl.org said: I'm assuming the battery output will go into the DC input on the inverter I already have for the PV panels, and that, in turn, means that I don't have to worry about matching voltages from different batteries. Actually, bad assumption.

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
There's nothing sacred about using CO2 for fracking. In fact, water is typically used now. There could be other choices of gasses. Using CO2 does produce some incentive for CO2 producers to compress and sell their waste. But it still eventually goes back into the atmosphere. It would be

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Dec 2014 at 14:27, Ben Goren via EV wrote: As such, the choice then becomes to mine the carbon that's required to power those vehicles, or to recycle the carbon that's already going to be mined to burn in electric power plants. No choice here, really. You're not recycling the CO2.

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread Mr23 via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gascars.

2014-12-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
What ends up better depends on the use. Efficiency of one type is not the be all, end all. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:10 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: There's nothing sacred about using CO2 for fracking. In fact, water is typically used now. There

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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[EVDL] Turning over a Used Leaf :-)

2014-12-21 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Eva and I just bought a 2012 Leaf with 16K miles on it for a little over $15k (after CO state incentives.) About the same cost as the components for doing a conversion, but you end up with a _much_ nicer car than you could ever think of building yourself. Plus, you are spared a year's work of

[EVDL] Coal Ash? (Was:PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.)

2014-12-21 Thread Bill Dube via EV
What about the nasty coal ash that is typically left over when they burn coal. Great piles/pools of it are stored forever it seems next to coal fired plants. Bill D. On 12/21/2014 4:11 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: Thanks! It looks like they were going to get their CO2 sequestration

Re: [EVDL] Coal Ash? (Was:PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.)

2014-12-21 Thread Denis Berube via EV
In Thailand they stick the waste back in the strip mine bury it and plant rubber trees Dennis Berube Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone div Original message /divdivFrom: Bill Dube via EV ev@lists.evdl.org /divdivDate:12/22/2014 7:18 AM (GMT+07:00) /divdivTo:

Re: [EVDL] OT: batteries for solar PV off-grid

2014-12-21 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Coal Ash? (Was:PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.)

2014-12-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I really don't have any information about the proposed project, including plans for dealing with coal ash. But FYI, I think I saw a headline this past week (or maybe heard it from an EPA staffer) that new regs on coal ash disposal had just been, or were about to be released. Sent from my

[EVDL] construction grade portable power

2014-12-21 Thread test model via EV
I'm looking for a lion or life based portable power pack with 120 volt invertor. Be able to 6.5 amp or more. I maybe also be intrested in used PPP. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub

Re: [EVDL] construction grade portable power

2014-12-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Dec 2014 at 18:42, test model via EV wrote: I'm looking for a lion or life based portable power pack with 120 volt invertor. This subject isn't really EV related. However, a simple web search produces several hits. Just type lithium ac power pack into your favorite search engine.

[EVDL] Fuse blew, not sure why.

2014-12-21 Thread Al via EV
I got stranded because a fuse blew in my battery box that effectively disconnected the DC to my charger. My EV is a US Electricar S10 pickup with 3 phase AC controller. System voltage ~320VDC. I have a contactor in the battery box that supplies pack voltage to the Manzanita PFC40 charger, a

Re: [EVDL] Fuse blew, not sure why.

2014-12-21 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Did you check that there was no short? Most cases, an isolation fault will be reported when something (like the back of the board holding the fuses) gets wet, which would happen before a dead short that would blow the fuse. Capacitance that causes an inrush can certainly be an issue, though I

Re: [EVDL] Turning over a Used Leaf :-)

2014-12-21 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Hi Chris, It is really nice just the way it is. Plenty of pep. It handles quite well. Can't think of a thing I might change. Perhaps if there is some aftermarket upgrade to make the charger bigger, I might consider doing that. Bill D. On 12/21/2014 6:02 PM, Chris Meier wrote:

Re: [EVDL] Turning over a Used Leaf :-)

2014-12-21 Thread Bill Dube via EV
It is a 2012 SL model, so yes, it does have the L3 Chademo fast charge port. Know of any nifty hacks for connecting my existing PFC-50 up to the L3 charging port? That would cut my charge time almost in half, if someone has figured out how to do it. Bill D. On 12/21/2014 11:11 PM, Cor van