Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Jim Walls via EV
On 5/14/2015 11:21 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote (in part): No way is that station going to have a 20 MW feed from the grid...that's about 5% - 20% of the output of a utility-scale generating unit. And even the utilities themselves would have problems running such a facility because of the sharpl

[EVDL] Apple Developing EV Battery

2015-05-14 Thread via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 05/14/2015 11:21 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > Worse...I don't think I've ever seen anything bigger than a 220V / 50A > breaker in a residential panel -- though, granted, I'm certainly not > an electrician. That's 11 kW. You're going to need half a dozen of those, I have a 60A breaker so my PFC

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 05/14/2015 11:21 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: Worse...I don't think I've ever seen anything bigger than a 220V / 50A breaker in a residential panel -- though, granted, I'm certainly not an electrician. That's 11 kW. You're going to need half a dozen of those, 70-80 amp breakers are fairly easy

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Paul Dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: Thinking this through a bit more...I'm not sure that it would make sense for a rapid-charging station to operate without a substantial dump pack of its own. That is correct. I worked for a company that made high power chargers, mainly for commercial/industrial users. It

Re: [EVDL] Fw: Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 14 May 2015 at 15:59, Russ Sciville via EV wrote: > the power module is a complicated bugger ... Your description sounds at least superficially similar to the way the Prius works. In the Prius, the motor, motor-generator, engine, and final drive all share a planetary gear unit. If I un

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 14 May 2015 at 9:21, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > How many people living in McMansions are going to be happy shutting > down basically everything, especially all the air conditioning and pool > equipment they paid so much extra to get the 400A service for in the > first place, every time they want

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Roland via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread tomw via EV
I agree with Jamie. There are obviously a great range of situations, but I would guess his is more typical.Where I live people seem to roughly fall into two categories: those who like evs but can't afford one, and those who can afford an ev but don't want one. The former can only afford one ca

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Lee Hart via EV
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: A typical US suburban tract home has a 200 amp, 240 volt service... Many modern "mcmansions," which are often built by the dozens in high end developments, now have 400 amp service. This would allow for a continous power of almost 77kW. Not quite. That's the pe

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Roadside charging stations - that's the interesting question. How many will be needed and can they be profitable? Certainly there's a lot of upfront cost to bring in the power, transformers, rectifiers, load leveling, and so on. Once done, though, operation and maintenance should be miniscul

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
On 05/14/2015 12:21 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: Worse...I don't think I've ever seen anything bigger than a 220V / 50A breaker in a residential panel -- though, granted, I'm certainly not an electrician. I have an 80A breaker in my panel for the 15Kw backup heat in our air-source heat pump.

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Fw: Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV
iville > To: Paul Dove ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way. > > Volt/Ampera's regularly do more than 50 miles on their 10.4kWh battery packs &

Re: [EVDL] Fw: Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Russ Sciville via EV
MPH. > I was speaking of normal driving. >      From: Russ Sciville > To: Paul Dove ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way. >  > Volt/Ampera's

Re: [EVDL] Fw: Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Paul Dove via EV
u would have to prove that, Of course the i-MiEV will go further if you > drive 40 MPH. > I was speaking of normal driving. > From: Russ Sciville > To: Paul Dove ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015

[EVDL] Fw: Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Russ Sciville via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Paul Dove via EV
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way. >> >> Volt/Ampera's regularly do more than 50 miles on their 10.4kWh battery packs >> and that includes dragging round a backup four cylinder engine in a steel >> chassis. > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150514/59a1df88/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 13 May 2015 at 22:31, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > a certain percentage of the market will never be happy with EVs until > they are "just like ICEs". I hate to say it, and I'm vulnerable to "citation needed," but I'd have to estimate that percentage at around 90 percent. :-\ Especially here in

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 13 May 2015 at 10:58, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > 15 kWh / 15 minutes is 60 kilowatts...not quite the level of > insanity of a megawatt, but still in a range far beyond what you'd ever see in > a residential setting. Not so far beyond at all. A typical US suburban tract home has a 200 amp, 240

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Russ Sciville via EV
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[EVDL] EVjobs: Tesla NV Giga-battery-factory, LG Chem MI battery plant

2015-05-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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[EVDL] EVLN: We've already reached EV vs ice parity

2015-05-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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[EVDL] EVLN: Leaf EV is Cheaper Than a Free Hummer ice

2015-05-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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[EVDL] EVLN: $77k Electric Tron Lightcycle Replica Sold @RM-Sotheby’s auction

2015-05-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Russ Sciville via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Jay Summet via EV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have a "low range" S-10 pickup conversion with lead acid batteries. (I limit it to 20 miles a charge with new batteries, and after a year or two the usable range is closer to 15 miles.) It's also relatively inefficient, especially for the stop and g