Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Fast switching power doesn't need a ground or a common return to generate loud EMI and foul AM. In my old testing lab I had used an old transistor radio to locate noise that was fouling a turbine flowmeter output. The problem lies with rapid rising and falling voltage - something that is desired w

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: Customer: The “X” feature in my car doesn’t work right. Dealer: That’s okay. We think that it’s “better” to use something else. That’s acceptable? Really? Sure it is! Marketing will convince him. Look, we've been convincing them to buy our ICEs for years! :-)

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread Cliff Crabtree via EV
"Do you _need_ an AM radio in your car?" No.  But it was sure nice to have when we were heading north out of Weed CA Route 97 on a dark December night not long ago.  The sign said to tune your radio to some AM frequency for traffic conditions.  That saved us a lot of time because the road was

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Customer: The “X” feature in my car doesn’t work right. Dealer: That’s okay. We think that it’s “better” to use something else. That’s acceptable? Really? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 10, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > > There is no "ground" in a vehi

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread Bill Dube via EV
There is no "ground" in a vehicle, only "chassis". (Unless the vehicle is on charge and connected to the grid.) The drivetrain and the AM radio share the chassis "ground", which is likely the root of the problem. The EMI comes from the controller PWM switching, goes into the chassis, (and is r

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread paul dove via EV
Well conducted emissions seems easier to eliminate Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 9, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > paul dove via EV wrote: >> Is the problem radiated emissions or conducted emissions anyone know? > > If radiated, it will cause problems not only for your own c

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-10 Thread David Delman via EV
I had interference on the AM radio in my Tesla model S. Took it in to Tesla to be fixed. A week later, I got it back. No change in the AM interference. Their answer, use streaming for AM... Thank you, David Delman ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Alan Arrison via EV
Hmm, that brings up a question. Do automobiles (electric or otherwise) have to pass any FCC regulations regarding RF emissions? Al On 11/9/2018 8:29 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Roger Stockton via EV wrote: Hmm, maybe cost savings of putting a grounded shield around the motor and controller.

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Roger Stockton via EV wrote: Hmm, maybe cost savings of putting a grounded shield around the motor and controller. For the AM radio, what could the cost be? $1.00? Good point; perhaps the real cost savings isn't the radio itself, but that its absence allows them to cut corners (and cost) elsew

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Roger Stockton via EV
Peri Hartman wrote: > Hmm, maybe cost savings of putting a grounded shield around the motor > and controller. For the AM radio, what could the cost be? $1.00? Good point; perhaps the real cost savings isn't the radio itself, but that its absence allows them to cut corners (and cost) elsewhere on

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
ockton" Sent: 09-Nov-18 3:20:31 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital) Tom Keenan wrote: I have a 2013 Leaf, and the AM radio works fine. Same with my old 2005 Prius. I use the AM radio on a daily basis during my commute to work. Not sure i

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Roger Stockton via EV
Tom Keenan wrote: > I have a 2013 Leaf, and the AM radio works fine. Same with my old 2005 > Prius. I use the AM radio on a daily basis during my commute to work. > Not sure if it is perhaps an issue with certain radio suppliers/car > manufacturers? I suspect it has more to do with the cost savi

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Subject: Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital) I have a 2013 Leaf, and the AM radio works fine. Same with my old 2005 Prius. I use the AM radio on a daily basis during my commute to work. Not sure if it is perhaps an issue with certain radio suppliers/

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Tom Keenan via EV
I have a 2013 Leaf, and the AM radio works fine. Same with my old 2005 Prius. I use the AM radio on a daily basis during my commute to work. Not sure if it is perhaps an issue with certain radio suppliers/car manufacturers? Tom Keenan > On Nov 9, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: >

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
paul dove via EV wrote: Is the problem radiated emissions or conducted emissions anyone know? If radiated, it will cause problems not only for your own car; but will also wipe out AM in the car next to it! Our Prius has an AM radio, though it has a "tin ear" -- poor weak signal receptio

Re: [EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI, EMI, +)> (go digital)

2018-11-09 Thread paul dove via EV
Is the problem radiated emissions or conducted emissions anyone know? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 8, 2018, at 9:19 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/news/video_didnt_kill_the_radio_star_but_electric_cars_might/41298 > Video didn't kill the radio star…

[EVDL] AM radios dropped from plugins (RFI,EMI,+)> (go digital)

2018-11-08 Thread brucedp5 via EV
https://www.warc.com/newsandopinion/news/video_didnt_kill_the_radio_star_but_electric_cars_might/41298 Video didn't kill the radio star… but electric cars might 08 November 2018 Music cartridges didn’t see it off. Neither did cassettes, nor CDs. But AM radio in cars might just have met its nem